Oh, I have absolutely no doubts about that. And we also came close again after Chibnall except they somehow got RTD to agree to come back. No RTD, no DW for a while.
I think we'll also hear one day what it took for them to get RTD to return!
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I think we'll also hear one day what it took for them to get RTD to return!
I actually have a gut feeling that future fans will look upon Jodie's run more forgivingly. Much like the Star Wars prequels and Star Trek Enterprise.
(And as that observation will probably produce thread tangent, I'll just beat the rush and say I've actually come around a bit on the Star Wars prequels. I believe they were all one rewrite and a better director away from being classics. The sequels are still an incoherent mess. And I actually now have a harsher opinion of Star Trek Enterprise than I did at the time.)
(And as that observation will probably produce thread tangent, I'll just beat the rush and say I've actually come around a bit on the Star Wars prequels. I believe they were all one rewrite and a better director away from being classics. The sequels are still an incoherent mess. And I actually now have a harsher opinion of Star Trek Enterprise than I did at the time.)
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If I had my way, the Master would have been retired after The Doctor Falls, and the Daleks after Dalek back in series 1. Both were the perfect ways to end their stories for good.
Let's have new iconic villains and monsters. Or bring back more obscure ones that have potential. That's what I'm hoping for with the 60th assuming NPH is the Celestial Toymaker.
I did very much enjoy parts of this special. All the classic companions and Doctors and their moments together really made it nice for me. The regeneration scene and the time with Yaz leading up to it were beautifully done.
Chibnall got everything right with the characterizations. The exception being Dan's departure. Seems like he was jettisoned early to make way for a bunch of extraneous plot points (e.g., Vinder among others). I like how it mirrored Tegan's departure, but it came across as awkward.
I do wish Chibnall was more selective about the plot elements and getting everything to actually work together, at least mostly. There were so many unnecessary elements jammed in and they didn't really work together. I won't rehash all of them, but I agree with other comments about this aspect. But, why oh why did the Master want to force the Doctor to regenerate into him?! He could've just travelled in his own TARDIS saying he was the Doctor. But so much else didn't make sense and/or led nowhere.
A+ for characters. D for plotting. Overall I gave it a B because I did largely have fun watching it.
You're right on about that. I do like Davies and Moffat's eras more than Chibnall's, by quite a bit honestly. However, RTD had some atrocious finales that suffered many of the same problems as this one. There were particular aspects of RTD that really wore on me over time.
By the time RTD left, I was honestly thinking it was a good thing. So, I'm lukewarm about him returning in a been there, done that way.
But we'll see. It's a good thing Chibnall is leaving but I'm wary about the path forward.
I'm seeing it pointed out in various places that the empty chair in the support group scene was likely a tribute to Elizabeth Sladen, and now I'm crying again. 
Well, yes. But the Doctor would have stopped him (there's a nice prose story about a similar scenario in the Twelve Angels Weeping anthology). This way, he killed the Doctor, stopped any future regenerations of the Doctor and (unstated but quite possibly) managed to hijack the Doctor's Chibbers-continuity infinite regenerations. AND shat on the Doctor's legacy. Or would have. Except the Doctor stopped him anyway. Because it's the Doctor.
The Scott Evil Option.
When Hartnell lays the law down to Troughton and Pertwee in The Three Doctors.
Either way would be far better than the constant retread of the same baddies over and over and over. But unfortunately it won't happen.
I'm not at all enthusiastic about Davies returning, and equally indifferent to what lies ahead. I know myself well enough to know I'll give it a go, but...yeah.
If that's the case, what a brilliant tribute.I'm seeing it pointed out in various places that the empty chair in the support group scene was likely a tribute to Elizabeth Sladen, and now I'm crying again.
Tardis transporter beam. Probably something handy on type 72s. A more pressing problem is ‘why did he go from unit, back in time to be Rasputin, when if he was successful in the past at cyberising, none of that would happen… so the Daleks having a re-run of their invasion is even more confusing…’ but this episode treated the Doctors timestream as apparently all occurring in real time with events in other places.
The Master is supposed to be the Doctor's intellectual equal. Hard to show when carrying on like a pork chop. I want to see a smart Master again.
Mmmmm... no. I never want to watch a script by Chibbers in anything ever again.
RTD is literally bringing back the Celestial Toymaker who hasn't been used since 1966.
Watched the regeneration scene but have yet to see the episode itself (have to wait 6 months for that). I wasn't bothered by the clothes changing this time and there is a very logical reason dramatically for them to skip it this time. Having the doctor running around in their predecessors clothes for part of the episode highlights to the audience that they are no longer who they were - as both the Doctor and us the audience discover their new "self." When the doctor first chooses their costume, it symbolizes them realizing and embracing their new persona. Since they went back to an established doctor now, there's no need to go through that process - doing so would needlessly slow down Tennants first episode. Or I guess his second first episode. We know who he is, he know who is, so get on with it. And as mentioned upthread, there is precedent for the clothes to change with regeneration
I don't even think they should address it - the big question is why the doctor "degenerated" to a previous form. With all the revelations and left turns thrown into the matter of regeneration and counts, clothes are the least of the problems and inconsistencies to contend with.
I don't even think they should address it - the big question is why the doctor "degenerated" to a previous form. With all the revelations and left turns thrown into the matter of regeneration and counts, clothes are the least of the problems and inconsistencies to contend with.
I don't keep up on the goss about the show so I wasn't aware of this. Excellent. That's a start, at least.
I don't remember Tennant ever wearing checked trousers, does anyone else? A hint of Hartnell & Troughton there.
All these questions of why did the Master do this and why didn’t he do that all assume that he is a rational actor.
He is very smart, but also certifiably obsessed with the Doctor, over the top theatrics, an Ego as big as the Moon and into a weird type of fun.
Degeneration is the obvious consequence of forcing one just five minutes prior.
why though did both the Doctor and Yas treat the regeneration as the inevitable end of their travels together?
The Doctor has carried many companions through to the next Doctor before.
He is very smart, but also certifiably obsessed with the Doctor, over the top theatrics, an Ego as big as the Moon and into a weird type of fun.
Degeneration is the obvious consequence of forcing one just five minutes prior.
why though did both the Doctor and Yas treat the regeneration as the inevitable end of their travels together?
The Doctor has carried many companions through to the next Doctor before.
A line of dialogue would have explained why he wants to steal the doctors body for any reason other than out of habit.
Edit: and I don’t mean the cheesy ‘I release you doctor, do t make me go back to being me…’ which was just yet another borrowed line.