And we're always able to forgive it, even when it stumbles through the door at three am, drunk and covered in lens flares, not able to entirely remember where it left the characterization for its villain.
And then vomits shakycam on our carpet.
The Party's Over?
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And we're always able to forgive it, even when it stumbles through the door at three am, drunk and covered in lens flares, not able to entirely remember where it left the characterization for its villain.
And then vomits shakycam on our carpet.
I've noticed in other forums that they have "Appreciation" threads
The Keenser Appreciation thread
The Montgomery Scott Appreciation thread
I think if YOU were honest, you'd peel your expectations off of me and admit you just didn't get what you wanted.
I am far from the Panglossian type, but after waiting 40 years for this moment, I finally got my cake.
No 20-minute shots of Vger. No Kirk that stands around spouting lines, then sits his old bones down to recite some more lines, then hauls his aged arse to another set to yammer more lines. No whales to save the universe. No touchy-feely Vulcan Dr. Phil. No Picard and his French Provincial Christmas Carol. No Klingon Pimples. No Romulan baby Picards.
My expectations are different than yours. Obviously.
Then give it a cup of coffee and let it crash on the couch until it isn't so vision impaired. On second thought hold the coffee, the poor thing's jittery enough.
I think you got something there: This is more than i would do for any human being!
That's right. I've forgiven it crashing into my home one early evening, looking like a bloated 50 year-old but dressing like a sexy 30 year-old, occupying the couch and puking a badly written holo novel on the tv set, calling it a 'valentine' and declaring, "we're all very pleased."
They're most likely to be back! And that's part of this ongoing party. At any party, there are the majority who are having fun, and the minority who wouldn't know fun if they stared it in the face. I don't mind either group, but I'm especially happy to be among the majority having fun!
Let's get them drunk! That way, they'll be prepared for Star Trek XII - So Very Drunk.
The best time was Thursday night after the sneak-preview opening. It was all frosting here!
Ha! Welcome to my world, the world of a long-time Trek fan. Why do you think there are so many people who can fixate on the least little thing?
In fact, I have it harder than some of you because I avoid spoilers. So no fevered speculation on the sequel for me. I'll have to find something else to speculate and fixate on. I will do my utmost to make sure it's not, for example, nacelles, if that's any comfort.
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Here's my personal theory on this based on what I've observed regarding human nature*...
Many of the hard-core trek fans hated STXI because they wanted to. They had publicly stated their hatred for the existance of this film in such a vocal manner that they needed to hate it -- either consciously to save face, or sub-consciously as a defense mechanism. Many of those 'Abrams detractors' cannot admit to us -- or even admit to themselves -- that the film was enjoyable.**
Now that they made their point and their consciences are clean, they may also try very hard to find a way to like STXII (even liking it more than they normally would have if they weren't so vocal about STXI) because they don't want to be left out of this "new Star Trek party". After all, they are still Star Trek fans. Many hard-core fans hated the very existence of TNG in 1987, but came around later to like it.
I'm not saying they are going to turn into big "Abrams Supporters", but they may try to find a way for themselves to like the next film. They'll find reasons to like the next film, and proceed to tell us all the reasons why STXII is "so much better" than STXI (again, to save face.)
*disclaimer: I'm not a psychologist -- I just play one on the internet.
**disclaimer 2: I'm not talking about ALL people who disliked this film. Some people gave the film a fair chance but just didn't find it to be good. That's OK with me. These people will be back in 2 years giving STXII a "fair chance" also.
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The buildup to Star Trek is over, but the buildup to Star Trek 2 is just beginning!
Jackson Roykirk said:
I really don't think it's necessarily true that "many of the hard-core trek fans hated STXI." It could be, but even if the total number qualifies as "many," I doubt if it's the majority. I could be wrong, of course, but I consider myself pretty darn hard-core - I started watching TOS during its initial network run and have watched various Treks ever since - and I liked it. I didn't love it, but I liked it, and I'm looking forward to the sequel.
I think some of you might have been misled by the level of hatred displayed here in the XI forum. But that isn't necessarily indicative of fandom in general - it could be, but that's as far as I am willing to go.
There are a number of reasons that could account for the hatred quotient. For one thing, not even all Trek BBS regulars have posted opinions on this forum. I for example avoided this forum for months before the movie and stayed out until after I saw it because I loathe spoilers. So you never saw a thing from me ahead of time on how I felt about the movie. And believe it or not, not every hard-core fan visits and posts on the Trek BBS.
And besides, you know that people with strongly negative feelings on any topic are more likely to share those feelings than anybody else. That's just the way people work. So even if you were able to count all the various posts and found that "I hate this" posts outnumbered "I am pleased by this" posts, you can't assume that proportion would hold true if you did some kind of survey.
I'm not sure how you could objectively measure the reaction of hard-core fans. I'm not even sure how you could define "hard-core fan."
Finally - and this is just a guess on my part - I think some of the dislike might be a backlash against some of the gushing. There are people who at least write as though they think this movie is the greatest movie in the entire history of the world, and as though all Trek that preceeds it should just go right into the dump. I think that's annoyed some people. Heck, it's annoys me and I like the movie. I can only imagine how it affects people who aren't that crazy about it.
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Dr. PANGLOSS:
Let us review
Star Trek Eleven!
STUDENTS:
Some fans are sad
Most are in heaven!
Dr. PANGLOSS:
Once one dismisses
The rest of all possible Treks
One finds that this is
The best of all possible Treks!
STUDENTS:
Once one dismisses
The rest of all possible Treks
One finds that this is
The best of all possible Treks!
I suppose I should have said "Many of the hardcore fans who hated this movie..."
I agree -- Many detractors are simply backlashing against the gushers...However, I still feel that those detractors will want to be part of this renewed Star Trek fandom, and will find face-saving ways to support the next film. I feel many of them wanted to hate the film just to be a "contrarian" against the equally-jejune gushers --
-- I don't think the hate really runs as deep as it seems.
Like I said, they made their point with their disdain for this film (perhaps simply to provide "balance" against the gushers), and now that their point was made, they may wish to re-join the club and accept Abrams' new universe -- even if they do so with while publicly "putting on airs" of displaying reluctance.
I think many of the so-called haters (the ones who stated their hatred of the film before it came out) who tried oh-so-very hard to find trivial negative things to complain about in Abrams film may "do a 180" and start finding trivial positive things in this next film -- such as [and this is just hypothetical] "Oh, they included Gary Mitchell! That's a good sign that Abrams finally "gets" Star Trek and understands how important Gary Mitchell is to the Trek Univserse" and other such trivial matters.
Well there is still that R2-D2 to find in the movie! That should keep us up late at night for awhile longer.
I can't put it any better than that.
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