THE ORVILLE S2, E9: "IDENTITY, PART II"
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Hell there was the "Earth II" TV Pilot film (1971):
So, yeah JMS claim of "I was the first one to pitch a show set on a space station..." is as usual, BS.
Well, that's different since those are original novels, it's very, very rare for tie-ins to be adapted like that. The only examples I'm aware of are episodes of Dr. Who, TNG, and Monk.
I can totally see the whole mess unfolding and turning around with the Union saving Kaylons from genocide, and the Kaylons asking to join the Union, and having their application rejected.
Be careful what you ask for. Sometimes, it's best to know less than more.
Yeah, really. Let fans make that stuff up, and the show can focus on being about the adventures of the Orville crew.
Yep. I have no interest in Orville-inspired continuity porn. My investment in the show is weekly. What the show has succeeded in doing is giving me stuff to think about. I'm also starting to care about the characters. I care about Dr. Finn, Ty, Isaac, Ed, Kelly. I care about the talking green glob of mucus. It's giving me the feels now.
I would think so, how can forgive the death of probably a couple thousand on all the Union ships that were destroyed in the battle.
Its hard to gauge the number because we don't know how many ships were destroyed, beyond the ones Bortus mentioned. Also the crew complements, many of those ships were the small '2 arc' versions.
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This is exactly how it felt. I remember sitting down to watch a new DS9 episode in the later seasons and sometimes getting to see those huge battle scenes. It was overwhelming at times, but in a good way. I can't even remember the last time I felt that way since. Maybe an episode of the Expanse but its certainly not been often. I felt like that again when I watched this.
I've been holding back my opinion, hoping someone would say something to turn my opinion around, but now I must admit, I was disappointed in this episode.
I really felt it was a by-the-numbers affair, wrapping up in the easiest ways possible. There were some character moments, especially Yaphit and Ty saving the ship. Indeed, they are the heroes of the episode. The Krill-gons coming to the rescue was right out of Sacrifice of Angels, and really, Gordon and Kelly had nothing to do with it (it was the natural response to the Kaylons blowing up the Krill ships). Isaac does get some redemption, but his actions save the crew, but not really humanity. His decision lacked drama to go with it--it might as well have happened out of the blue.
My biggest problem was with the battle itself. I liked seeing the fleet pursuing the breakaway Kaylons ships over the moon--it reminded me of Moonraker in the best way. Otherwise, the battle was just a bunch of splodey splodey bang bang: a lot of ships shoot and blow up, but the story isn't being advanced through the special effects. Moreover, these close quarters space battles just seem contrived and dated by now. To top it off, it was all very clinical. The one person shown to die in the episode was not killed in the battle itself. In the years since TNG, we've had a lot of series that have shown space battles that are both exciting and dangerous while pushing more toward realism. Identity's battle came from an earlier era.
In the end, I think the episode was just a big sugar rush. It was epic in spectacle, but not in drama. After a few years, I think that most viewers will see this as a good, but forgettable, episode.
I really felt it was a by-the-numbers affair, wrapping up in the easiest ways possible. There were some character moments, especially Yaphit and Ty saving the ship. Indeed, they are the heroes of the episode. The Krill-gons coming to the rescue was right out of Sacrifice of Angels, and really, Gordon and Kelly had nothing to do with it (it was the natural response to the Kaylons blowing up the Krill ships). Isaac does get some redemption, but his actions save the crew, but not really humanity. His decision lacked drama to go with it--it might as well have happened out of the blue.
My biggest problem was with the battle itself. I liked seeing the fleet pursuing the breakaway Kaylons ships over the moon--it reminded me of Moonraker in the best way. Otherwise, the battle was just a bunch of splodey splodey bang bang: a lot of ships shoot and blow up, but the story isn't being advanced through the special effects. Moreover, these close quarters space battles just seem contrived and dated by now. To top it off, it was all very clinical. The one person shown to die in the episode was not killed in the battle itself. In the years since TNG, we've had a lot of series that have shown space battles that are both exciting and dangerous while pushing more toward realism. Identity's battle came from an earlier era.
In the end, I think the episode was just a big sugar rush. It was epic in spectacle, but not in drama. After a few years, I think that most viewers will see this as a good, but forgettable, episode.
Well, I don't think anybody expected everybody to love it...
Well, I kinda agree about the space battle. I'm a girl, I don't get why you guys like them so much 
I never liked it when they did space fights in Stargate either. And it went on for quite a bit of time.
As I said some pages ago, the one guy floating in space got more emotion out of me than a full ship blown from the sky. It's what it is and it's probably why they send drones now to kill people. It feels so clinical. Like a video game.
Speaking of Stargate, with Gordon in the fighter I was a bit reminded of the episode where Jack and Teal'c at first also happily did the shooting with advanced technology but then they learned that they were fighting for the bad guys so turned around on them.
Still I like the rest of the episode very much!
I never liked it when they did space fights in Stargate either. And it went on for quite a bit of time.As I said some pages ago, the one guy floating in space got more emotion out of me than a full ship blown from the sky. It's what it is and it's probably why they send drones now to kill people. It feels so clinical. Like a video game.
Speaking of Stargate, with Gordon in the fighter I was a bit reminded of the episode where Jack and Teal'c at first also happily did the shooting with advanced technology but then they learned that they were fighting for the bad guys so turned around on them.
Still I like the rest of the episode very much!
I can't help anybody who doesn't like ship battles, because I tend to watch shows like this for the ships. Always have, and you load a bunch of them up on two sides of a battle line and get them to throw down on each other and for me it's like Christmas. Not speaking for all guys, just me.
You mean aside from the fact the Kaylons wouldn't even be in Krill space at that time if it weren't for them following Gordon and Kelly.
They weren't trying to create a realistic space battle. It was just a means of expressing a plot point. And really, who cares? I'm so sick of the majority of sci-fi having a stick up its ass about being realistic these days. If Orville wants to do a good old fashioned space battle that seems more appropriate to "an earlier era" then that's fine by me. I want to be entertained, I don't need to learn authentic space combat tactics.
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