That was my thought as well. Then the delete Greg thing happened and it pretty much confirmed it. It wasn’t a bad episode but it was kind of just there for me.
THE ORVILLE S2, E11: "LASTING IMPRESSIONS"
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That was my thought as well. Then the delete Greg thing happened and it pretty much confirmed it. It wasn’t a bad episode but it was kind of just there for me.
had never heard of Leighton Meester before the show so off to wiki then wondered if the song was written for the show or was existing material she'd written?
Now, if the Moclans decide to start a rebellion, the Union has the ultimative biochemical weapons to use against them! (Hard Moral Choices included).
Well, this is also a show where the characters don't seem to know a damn thing about other species in their own Union.
"That's All I've Got to Say" from the movie The Last Unicorn. Sung in the movie by Jeff Bridges. Covered by Art Garfunkel.
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The cover was great - much better than the original, but most people don't think of singing talent when it comes to Jeff Bridges. Song choice was symbolic, too - like a unicorn, Laura could never be truly attainable or captured. Fun stuff and tribute to one of my all-time animated favorites.
Interesting choice of 2015 of the year as well... I'm guessing it was specifically chosen because if it 2016 or later, they'd feel compelled to make a Trump reference. OTOH, in 2015 the current iPhone was the 6, and the phone in the episode was a 6 to 8, so her replacing it already seems a bit of a stretch. The lockscreen however was from iOS 6 or earlier, which is incorrect as the iPhone 6 launched with iOS 8.
<The irony is, I'm an Android fan>
Mark
Interesting choice of 2015 of the year as well... I'm guessing it was specifically chosen because if it 2016 or later, they'd feel compelled to make a Trump reference. OTOH, in 2015 the current iPhone was the 6, and the phone in the episode was a 6 to 8, so her replacing it already seems a bit of a stretch. The lockscreen however was from iOS 6 or earlier, which is incorrect as the iPhone 6 launched with iOS 8.
<The irony is, I'm an Android fan>
Mark
I really liked the episode. Seeing Tim Russ was great.
It didn't make a whole lot of sense for Gordon to be getting texts from the simulation while on duty though. If he's on duty, he's not running the sim, so it should be offline. There's no rationale for the computer to run his sim, even as a background task when he isn't in the sim, on a 24/7 basis.
I was also a bit disappointed in how bored and disinterested Ed and crew were at the "party." This is mainly because I don't feel it was built-up right. I get that they have to be disapproving of this infatuation, but regardless, they were all getting together to have a good time, and they should have made an effort to have a good time with each other. It would have been better to clearly demonstrate Gordon ignoring his friends for this hologram, then their reactions are much more justifiable. As presented, I got the sense that they were all just embarrassed that they were even there, but there's nothing wrong with being at a party in the sim. It was pretty funny to hear Gordon say after they left 'oh, my friends really liked you'
Part of me would like to have seen them leave the episode a little more open ended. Of course if he had continued to "be friends", it could've been a brutal, never-ending roller coaster. I'm guessing there was no final resolution on the whole Greg situation when she put her phone in the capsule, which means without one, the computer is just going to have her endlessly break up and get back together with both Gordon and Greg. Ugh.
It's too bad we won't see her in any future episode, because I kinda liked the character.
Wonder if Gordon ever looked up what happened to her? They must have a place to go on the computer to look up old birth/marriage/death records and so forth.
It didn't make a whole lot of sense for Gordon to be getting texts from the simulation while on duty though. If he's on duty, he's not running the sim, so it should be offline. There's no rationale for the computer to run his sim, even as a background task when he isn't in the sim, on a 24/7 basis.
I was also a bit disappointed in how bored and disinterested Ed and crew were at the "party." This is mainly because I don't feel it was built-up right. I get that they have to be disapproving of this infatuation, but regardless, they were all getting together to have a good time, and they should have made an effort to have a good time with each other. It would have been better to clearly demonstrate Gordon ignoring his friends for this hologram, then their reactions are much more justifiable. As presented, I got the sense that they were all just embarrassed that they were even there, but there's nothing wrong with being at a party in the sim. It was pretty funny to hear Gordon say after they left 'oh, my friends really liked you'
Part of me would like to have seen them leave the episode a little more open ended. Of course if he had continued to "be friends", it could've been a brutal, never-ending roller coaster. I'm guessing there was no final resolution on the whole Greg situation when she put her phone in the capsule, which means without one, the computer is just going to have her endlessly break up and get back together with both Gordon and Greg. Ugh.
It's too bad we won't see her in any future episode, because I kinda liked the character.
Wonder if Gordon ever looked up what happened to her? They must have a place to go on the computer to look up old birth/marriage/death records and so forth.
They should have done that. In Star Trek, Earth had a devastating nuclear war in the 21st century (or 20th depending on which episode you watch), but on Orville, no evidence that happened.
While the Union and the Federation are very similar, the pasts of their universes don't have to be.
So unless we hear otherwise, we can assume that there was no major nuclear war, and if that's the case, it would make total sense that records would be available, and Gordon could find more information on her.
As a viewer, I would have liked that as well.
I really got a huge kick out of the Bortus and Klyden plot. Definitely some of the hardest I've laughed while watching this show.
And actually, remember how we all though this would be a space comedy but then it really wasn't? Well that scene with Bortus being asked to give up all his cigarettes and then taking one single one from behind the sculpture, and then one single one off the painting, and then picking up the pillowcase and dumping a few hundred out was possibly the funniest gag they've ever done on this show. The joke was well set up and it absolutely landed. Great comedic timing.
The Gordon plot was definitely an interesting one. As others have stated, if that tech was actually real, and let's face it, it's not one million percent unbelievable today, is it, but if it actually existed, fully one half of the entire universe would be heavy users of cyberporn.
Is it perhaps possible that they intentionally left that scene out just in case they want to do something more with her in the future? This is a science fiction show after all, the possibilities are endless.
Also, like others, during the scene at the bar after Gordon first saw her sing, when they were talking, I also got a heavy sense of "what if that's his great great grandma"?
Just doing the math in my head real quick, if we assume 400 years, and a new generation every 30 years or so, and a standard linear progression that assumes that Gordon had 1 mother and father, and therefore 2 grandmothers, and therefore 4 great grandmothers, and therefore 8 great great grandmothers, etc etc, the 2015 Gordon family tree could possibly have 4096 great great etc grandmothers walking around earth. If you jump the numbers up a little, in 2015 there could even have been 8 or 16 or even 32 thousand people walking around who were all great grandmothers of Gordon.
Funny if you think about it that way. Captain Picard could come back in time and have an entire Star Trek convention where literally every single person there was his great great grandma.
And actually, remember how we all though this would be a space comedy but then it really wasn't? Well that scene with Bortus being asked to give up all his cigarettes and then taking one single one from behind the sculpture, and then one single one off the painting, and then picking up the pillowcase and dumping a few hundred out was possibly the funniest gag they've ever done on this show. The joke was well set up and it absolutely landed. Great comedic timing.
The Gordon plot was definitely an interesting one. As others have stated, if that tech was actually real, and let's face it, it's not one million percent unbelievable today, is it, but if it actually existed, fully one half of the entire universe would be heavy users of cyberporn.
A logical continuation of the program. But yeah, damn, that'd be brutal.
Hmm, like many folks here, I was also waiting for the expected look-her-up-to-see-what-really-happened-to-her scene.
Is it perhaps possible that they intentionally left that scene out just in case they want to do something more with her in the future? This is a science fiction show after all, the possibilities are endless.
Also, like others, during the scene at the bar after Gordon first saw her sing, when they were talking, I also got a heavy sense of "what if that's his great great grandma"?
Just doing the math in my head real quick, if we assume 400 years, and a new generation every 30 years or so, and a standard linear progression that assumes that Gordon had 1 mother and father, and therefore 2 grandmothers, and therefore 4 great grandmothers, and therefore 8 great great grandmothers, etc etc, the 2015 Gordon family tree could possibly have 4096 great great etc grandmothers walking around earth. If you jump the numbers up a little, in 2015 there could even have been 8 or 16 or even 32 thousand people walking around who were all great grandmothers of Gordon.
Funny if you think about it that way. Captain Picard could come back in time and have an entire Star Trek convention where literally every single person there was his great great grandma.
I really enjoyed this one. It was a pretty good take on the whole person falls in love with a hologram, and having her be a real person from the past was a nice little twist. The way they had her change after Gordon deleted her boyfriend was a nice way to bring him back to reality, and it brought up an interesting point about just how much our relationships effect us. Leighton Meester and Scott Grimes really did a great job, and it was really well written. They did a good job of making Laura likeable, and someone you could see Gordon falling for, but not unrealistic.
After not really getting a Gordon story before last week, I was surprised to get another one already.
The stuff with Bortus and Klyden getting addicted to cigarettes was hilarious. The scene with Bortus pulling out all of his hidden cigarettes was the best scene of the episode.
As good as the episodes this season have been, it would be nice if they could try to find a story that didn't feel quite so close to stories we got on the Star Treks. I understand with 700+ episodes it could be hard, but there must be some futuristic sci-fi stories they could find that Trek hasn't done yet.
After not really getting a Gordon story before last week, I was surprised to get another one already.
The stuff with Bortus and Klyden getting addicted to cigarettes was hilarious. The scene with Bortus pulling out all of his hidden cigarettes was the best scene of the episode.
As good as the episodes this season have been, it would be nice if they could try to find a story that didn't feel quite so close to stories we got on the Star Treks. I understand with 700+ episodes it could be hard, but there must be some futuristic sci-fi stories they could find that Trek hasn't done yet.
Yeah, the fact that Laura was a reconstruction of a real person that Gordon couldn't manipulate gave this a really different quality than the endless holodeck episodes that The Other Show did.
Of course, they pretended to do that once on TNG, but Brahms was really just a program that Geordi could make into whatever he wanted and not a person at all - as he discovered when they did a later story with the "real" Brahms.
Of course, they pretended to do that once on TNG, but Brahms was really just a program that Geordi could make into whatever he wanted and not a person at all - as he discovered when they did a later story with the "real" Brahms.
Except the mechanism by which both simulations were created was the same. Geordi didn't write the Leah program, but rather instructed the computer to aggregate all available data on her and extrapolate from it. Same thing here -- with likely a similar margin of error from the real Laura.
Laura wins a contest where she gets to be a passenger on a commercial space flight. In a freak mishap, Ranger 3 is blown out of its trajectory into an orbit which freezes the life-support systems, and returns Laura to Earth, 500 years later.
There you go.
Of course, Greg would have to be on that flight too.
^ Liked, except for the Greg part. Fuck Greg.
Gordon is a bit of a creep.
Leave the dude and his Friends: The Video Game romance mod alone.
Well, most importantly we're living in a different kind of culture now than in the 80s* - the existence of some sort of self-curated daily digital record of our lives and personalities is still novel...and so is the notion of conjuring up a version of someone's life this way.
*Although, come on, Geordi's behavior was awfully creepy even in the 90s.
Very good episode. These last two episodes gave Gordon a lot more depth. He's not just the pilot who makes jokes and goofs around. Too bad we have to wait so long for the next episode.
