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THE ORVILLE S2, E11: "LASTING IMPRESSIONS"

The plot with Bortus being addicted to cigarettes was funny. But the plot with Gordon and Laura really got to me. It was a cool premise but more than that, I could totally relate to Gordon. Laura is the kind of woman I would totally fall for too. Seeing him fall in love and start a relationship with her but then have to let go, was really sentimental and bitter sweet.
 
I love the way these characters talk to each other in scenes like the one in the bar where Gordon's defending his interest in Laura. Actually conversational, which is definitely not something I'm used to from space opera type stuff - and then they dip into the whole "how do we know if a machine is conscious" thing, where Gordon pretty much has the better end of the argument.
 
Wasn't this episode just a Fair Haven ripoff? I mean, better than the original, but it had basically the same premise (crewmember falls in love with a hologram in a historic simulation) and themes (loving someone comes from things outside your control, if you play "god mode" and change things at will, it destroys things).
 
I'll never get why people think some episodes of shows are "filler shows" or what makes an episode about people fighting space jello from critters from a wormhole supposedly more "substantal" than another kind of story.
One suspects a certain nerdball perception that stories about mere people and emotions are for those who can't handle more "intelligent" fare prioritizing spaceships and rayguns.
 
Who didn't see the fist fight coming when Doc Finn told the Moclans that they were going to have to "support each other" through nicotine withdrawal? :lol:
 
I very much enjoyed this episode. Liked the relationship between Gordon and Laura a lot. Very good performances by both actors.

I did find it silly though that the crew is obsessed with 20th century movies and pop culture but don't know what cell phones and cigarettes are. I feel like Seth is trying to have it both ways here. They act like records of the 20th century are fragmentary here kind of like how they were on the original Star Trek but they apparently have access to unlimited pop culture from that time period. Barring a cataclysmic event, records shouldn't be fragmentary either.

The smoking subplot was fun and Bortus is particularly funny when he acts chill with the cigarette.

Tim Russ! Recognize that voice instantly.
 
I very much enjoyed this episode. Liked the relationship between Gordon and Laura a lot. Very good performances by both actors.

I did find it silly though that the crew is obsessed with 20th century movies and pop culture but don't know what cell phones and cigarettes are. I feel like Seth is trying to have it both ways here. They act like records of the 20th century are fragmentary here kind of like how they were on the original Star Trek but they apparently have access to unlimited pop culture from that time period. Barring a cataclysmic event, records shouldn't be fragmentary either.

The smoking subplot was fun and Bortus is particularly funny when he acts chill with the cigarette.

Tim Russ! Recognize that voice instantly.
Agreed, and the "what is this?" moment with the iphone was a bit forced, too, since touchscreen technology seems similar enough with 25th century interfaces. Aside from that, very few issues with this episode.
 
Wasn't this episode just a Fair Haven ripoff? I mean, better than the original, but it had basically the same premise (crewmember falls in love with a hologram in a historic simulation) and themes (loving someone comes from things outside your control, if you play "god mode" and change things at will, it destroys things).

The premise was similar but more interesting IMO. "Fair Haven" was just a fake Irish town or whatnot. But in this ep, Laura was a real person from the past which added a more interesting layer.
 
It's a bit weak.

Bortis' ciggie addiction was the subplot I kept asking "Can we get back to this? Can we get back to this? Can we get back to this?" every time they got back to Gordon.

I liked the twist that she already had a main squeeze in her life. But heteronormativity being de facto, she's not into triads or bi or polyandry or open relationships or anything else that might have potentially livened up this episode or deftly educated the audience without being sledgehammer heavy, it's just an hour of dopey boring bland yawnarama. Even Doctor Who showcased polyandry as a plot point in 1986 with a funny retort from Peri...

The story starts out bad enough; it's a smartphone that can somehow last 500 years. And, yes, I was forcing myself to suspend disbelief - even the shiny new newspaper was easier to accept at face value, to see where the story would go and this is the first time Orville dropped the ball with innovating on tropes. (Season 1 is replete with fantastic examples of the show taking sci-fi and drama to the next level. Season 2 has been a bit uneven and after a few wins, we now have comparatively superficial filler (IMHO) - but that's true for any show of any season.)

Why doesn't Yaphit squish into the phone the same way he did into the also-waterproof Kaylon in order to figure out how it worked instead of all the guessing technobabble? (unlike the Kaylon, there's no voltage or amperage of any sort to fry him.) And how they revive the lithium battery is also laughably bad. Amazing how quickly they figured that out, but the phone didn't even have a power supply on the table (unless I missed it) since even the PSU would show cable polarization, voltage, amperage, etc...)

So the simulation is running 24/7, even when he's not in there?!

He states 'save program' and then everything vanishes and he falls onto the floor (never mind the ship is guessing that 'save program' now means 'save program and abruptly close and be glad you're not skydiving with a simulated parachute or are trying to experience the life of Wile E. Coyote'.)

That also begs the question, since it's rather implied, there's no sweat or anything else on the floor since the simulation isn't using real matter (in other words: eww)...

Just how narcissistic is the character featured? (Do all smartphone owners act like that?!)

And dim, not even a 4 digit PIN passcode or that stupid connect-the-dots where all one need do is turn the phone to an angle and notice the bleepin' pattern needed to unlock it?! Sigh...

And, of course, product placement for a platform that isn't #1 in the marketplace. Especially when Android phones are far easier to navigate through with the touching and the finger swipes and so on... then again, it's not 1995 anymore when #1 platforms are given namedroppiong for "accessibility". Remember "Microsoft Doors" in "Sliders" as opposed to giving Apple's Macintosh (or other platforms still existing) a leg up? Then again, some news articles claim iPhone users are more extroverted and/or vain so that ties into the narcissistic bent a bit more easily into the story's narrative, so it doesn't not work... but Gordon still falls for her? Must be due to solely facial looks and not personality, how vain... :p

She's a great singer. Not my genre but she's very talented. Has a great duet with Gordon.

The data transfer was also silly; limited by the speed of the 21st century's phone's chips and with all that video data, it's not going to be done in a handful of seconds. I could buy into the simulation being created comparatively quickly but this episode is just another "dangers of holodeck porn addiction" trope...

Never mind a lot of computer hardware made nowadays doesn't last 5 years - never mind 500. Possibly due to chip density (14nm fabrication process, I'd guess). Now if this were a 100nm or 200nm process I'd be more inclined to buy into it; computers several decades old still run without issue.

The throwaway about the political issue was also as oversimplified as it was heavyhanded and parochial in scope. Do a proper episode on that, not empty throwaway filler in a show that usually has a more poignant message, regardless if it uses comedy or sci-fi or horror. Or even episodes not having big messages (e.g. "New Dimensions") they still carry things off, but it could be seen as filler too. Some people don't care for what amounts to "90210 in Space" as much as others would prefer every "Orville" episode to be 90210 in space instead of exploring harder-edged sci-fi concepts. The show has room for both, we're not obligated to give every episode a 10/10.

And are centuries 22-25 so devoid? Or the 16th for that matter, as nobody froths over Shakespeare or DaVinci anymore... (at least TOS had)

Sincerely yours,
Nerball #8675310.

:D
 
The premise was similar but more interesting IMO. "Fair Haven" was just a fake Irish town or whatnot. But in this ep, Laura was a real person from the past which added a more interesting layer.

Or our present, which is almost the same of what the Orville crew are - "real persons" put into future situations.

It was more similar to the subplot in "Galaxy's Child" where a character has to deal with holodeck addiction to an extrapolated, not-real personality. What happens next week, Laura was put into cryogenics because it was an early 21st century fad and we find out she's in reality Nerdlady #6060852 and Gordie finds out he fell in love with something pretentious and narcissistic, like my ex? :D
 
I associate it more with Booby Trap than Fair Haven.

The A story was good. But the writers go to “It’s funny when Bortus says it in a strong monotone declaration” well so often it’s lost all impact on me.

Yes, shows copy each other but not always so directly as Orville.

Gordon wasn’t arguing she was conscious, Gordon was arguing she was a proxy for the real woman. Which is a good argument until he edited her.
 
I know you have an unwavering love for this show but that is such a hoary old plot that didn't bring anything new to the table. I've always loved Leighton Meester but could not muster any interest in that A plot, I'd watch her other shows if I was looking for this stuff. You see this as something Trek couldn't do and I guess I'm just not seeing it. What did you find was so well done here?
 
The premise was similar but more interesting IMO. "Fair Haven" was just a fake Irish town or whatnot. But in this ep, Laura was a real person from the past which added a more interesting layer.

Yeah, at first I thought of it as a difference that makes no difference, but as the story progressed the ramifications of basing the program on a real person became interesting.
 
I enjoyed this episode a lot. It doesn't hurt that I like Leighton Meester, but I felt that it was amazing that a computer could take an iphone and recreate someone so well. Great concept.

Yes, it was similar to some TNG stuff, but I don't remember enjoying the TNG episode this much.

It reminded me a little of the Superman story, as done on Justice League Unlimited called "For The Man Who Has Everything." Not exactly like that, but similar in terms of the difficulty Clark had with giving up his new life when he realized it was fake.

I didn't like the Bortus plot. This was a more "Inner Light"/"The Visitor"/"City on the Edge" type of episode, and I felt goofy humor took away from the drama of the A plot.

That could have been used in another episode.

What's also interesting is that what happened to Gordon is somewhat realistic if this technology existed. While he didn't do that here, imagine someone who struggles with women creating the perfect one in every way. You'd never leave that holodeck.

In many ways, if that tech ever existed, it would make it much harder to meet in real life because nothing could compare to what you could create.

What I thought the episode missed would be Gordon coming clean and telling Laura that she was a program, and that her phone WAS found, and she was recreated. It almost gives her immortality.

How would she react? Good? Bad? And if bad, Gordon could just delete that.

I enjoyed the story. Orville has really upped its game in the last few episodes.
 
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