I've thought the same thing.
the only gay command character in T.V sci-fi?
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I wouldn't exactly say that Ivanova's relationship with Talia was "swept under the rug" per se to make room for Marcus, particularly since, although it's clear that Ivanova probably had *some* feelings for Marcus, I'm not exactly quite sure that she really was *in love* with him in the same way he was with her- even though she seemed extremely devastated by his *death*. If the rumors about her getting together with Byron in S5 (had she stayed on the show) were true, then I'm GLAD that she wasn't on it. It would've just seemed inconsistent with her character IMHO. Also, it should be pointed out that the actress who played Talia LEFT the show, stopping whatever storyline they had dead in its tracks and you could tell that her loss of Talia really crushed her when her "alternate personality" as a mole for Psi-Corp was activated and wiped out her previous personality. It was pretty clear to me that, despite their initial differences, they definitely shared some genuine affection for each other that went beyond mere friendship and there was even some implied physical intimacy between them in their last episode together. Also, I believe that in a S3 episode, she reveals that she *thinks* she loved Talia. I actually liked how JMS handled their relationship- positively portraying Ivanova's relationship with Talia as something completely natural and non-controversial and, more importantly, without any particular need to *highlight* Ivanova's sexuality as a "ratings grabber" in the same way that Star Trek:Voyager advertisers went out of their way to "promote" 7 of 9's "womanhood" when she first joined the cast as a full-time member. "Half-human, half-borg, ALL woman"
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Oh, I'm not accusing JMS of having some agenda in ending Talia/Ivanova. Obviously Andrea Winters departure from the series ended any story possibilities between Talia and Ivanova. But in light of what happened to Ivanova after that (and what would have happened in season five), you can make some interpretation.
Can't defend the UPN adverts, though. It's a testament to Jeri Ryan that she made the character of Seven of Nine work on any level, considering how she was presented.
Oh, I'm not accusing JMS of having some agenda in ending Talia/Ivanova. Obviously Andrea Winters departure from the series ended any story possibilities between Talia and Ivanova. But in light of what happened to Ivanova after that (and what would have happened in season five), you can make some interpretation.
Can't defend the UPN adverts, though. It's a testament to Jeri Ryan that she made the character of Seven of Nine work on any level, considering how she was presented.
You're not gay to fall for Seven of Nine, just an idiot.
She's been emotionally devastated into an unperson barely functioning on autopilot.
Maybe one day when she has actually dealt with whats inside of her it might be okay to try and "tap that" but honestly it's as ethical to peruse Miss Hansen as it is to trawl for strange in a coma ward.
Not really a true military command structure, but I imagine during season 7 of Buffy Willow was basically second in command of the slayers along with Xander.
Don't remind me of the late-season 7 power struggle, wasting time trying to decide who was going to be in charge that week in their little anarcho-syndicalist commune.
That she was bi? I'm not sure what you are actually asking for? on-screening fistings?
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It's rather disquieting that enough of televised scifi features military or at least formal command structures that this thread isn't entirely meaningless, but even looking at Buffy's social dynamics in that light Willow isn't anywhere near the seat of power in S7. Faith, Giles, Kennedy, Xander and Spike all demonstrate more initiative and command more respect from the Potentials than Willow does. Willow actively avoids anything resembling responsibility in S7, indeed she's one of the few who doesn't challenge Buffy's leadership. In "Get It Done" Kennedy tries to push Willow into that role and she doesn't want a bar of it, Buffy comments that unlike Willow she's willing to use her power, and she's right. Kennedy aside, the Potentials don't pay Willow any heed at all, and she doesn't want them to.
She was definitely calling the shots in "Bargaining" though.
Gaeta was a tragic figure, not a villainous one.
I believe it was the ancient Roman philosopher Epictetus who said that few men are able or willing to be truly good or truly evil.
And that was Gaeta's tragic flaw.
Zarek was willing to be truly evil, because he thought the end justified the means. He was willing to kill anyone who stood in his way.
But when push came to shove, Gaeta couldn't do that. Ultimately, he wanted to persuade everyone else to follow him. And when he couldn't do it, he gave up.
Only at the moment of death was his inner conflict, symbolized by the pain and discomfort in his stump, resolved.
But when push came to shove, Gaeta couldn't do that. Ultimately, he wanted to persuade everyone else to follow him. And when he couldn't do it, he gave up.
Only at the moment of death was his inner conflict, symbolized by the pain and discomfort in his stump, resolved.
Personally, I thought Gaeta was a very interesting character. And if I was looking for gay science-fictional characters, I would much prefer 'interesting' to 'blandly attractive.'
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Agreed where Ivanova is concerned, but the fact that Cain was not a terribly admirable character isn't reason enough to minimize her as an example.
