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This audio problem is a disaster for this release. For something that up until late yesterday seemed to be the reference-quality release for remastering older TV shows turns out to be a badly compromised product. Considering how much of the promotion for this release has focused on the amount of work and passion that went into this release (which I don't doubt was genuine), for this to have happened is almost unfathomable.

To me, one of the best things about this TNG-HD project was the goodwill it generated toward the fans, a commitment from CBS to this property... Just "doing the job right" was such a focus of this release, not just a cheap up-convert of the DVD, a real "back to the original elements" effort, and for me, a lot of that goodwill has been lost as a result.

It's such a shame, because the team obviously did such a great job, particularly on the video, and to have the audio compromised in such a way, from what by all accounts was just a stupid oversight is really inexcusable. I wonder if there was such a focus on the video remastering that somehow the audio mixing wasn't a priority.

The notion that no one at CBS caught this is difficult to believe, but here we are - took the fans all of 2 seconds to find the problem.

Clearly, quality-control at CBS needs some improvement.

Even a disc replacement program is really not a full resolution, I for one do not want to send my discs in the mail and get back discs, hopefully fixed, in who knows what condition, possibly having to cut the UPC out of the case as well. Just a mess.

I would prefer CBS re-issue it to stores, clearly labeled as the "fixed" version of the set. Getting a full refund for purchases of the incorrect version of the set really isn't unreasonable, in my opinion.

CBS - fix this so that it doesn't happen again. Get seasons 2-7 right and commit to doing all the other series as well.

Another reason this is so perplexing is that CBS already did the 7.1 remixes on TOS S1-3, apparently without a problem. What happened here?

I guess what really gets me is the idea that this BD release isn't up to the standard of the series, this isn't just "some series" - for the people buying this set, which are the ones CBS should be obliged to satisfy, as they are their customers, no one is going to Best Buy to pick up some other title and buys TNG for $60 as an impulse purchase.

This BD release isn't good enough for TNG, nor is it good enough considering all the time, money, and effort that was invested in the remastering process.

Altogether, a terrible screw-up somewhere along the line. Sad.
 
Still, I admire the work being done to bring us these sets so to see these being called shit in this thread is a little disheartening, even though I understand the reasons.

Who called the Season One set shit? I mean, Ar-Pharazon made some crack about the general quality of products made in Mexico... but I correctly pointed out to him that the problem we're hearing started before disc replication and happened during the sound mix stage in L.A.

Don't worry. Cooler heads will prevail and we'll probably get this all sorted out eventually. Just enjoy it for now. The quality is still great despite these issues. :)

Regardless of where the problem lies, shouldn't there have been a test run of some kind? I mean, at whatever facility was making these.

Then those test discs should have been maybe watched for any potential problems.

Like dulcimer47 says about quality control, but the QC at the factory or whatever it is would be as much to blame as CBS if the masters came out of CBS with this issue.
 
This audio problem is a disaster for this release. For something that up until late yesterday seemed to be the reference-quality release for remastering older TV shows turns out to be a badly compromised product. Considering how much of the promotion for this release has focused on the amount of work and passion that went into this release (which I don't doubt was genuine), for this to have happened is almost unfathomable.

I would prefer CBS re-issue it to stores, clearly labeled as the "fixed" version of the set. Getting a full refund for purchases of the incorrect version of the set really isn't unreasonable, in my opinion.

Altogether, a terrible screw-up somewhere along the line. Sad.

Absolutely agree with every thing said here. This needs a Game of Thrones style recall and a clearly labeled fixed released.

I can only hope that the errors in the release are due to the enormous time constraints and pressure the remastering team were feeling and this has been resolved with the bringing in of a second team.
 
Again, this problem did not occur at the mass replication and packaging stage.

Are you 100% sure on that? Couldn't it have been at any point?

How does one go about getting replacements? I've never had to do so before.

Because it's a problem with the sound mix... and that happened here in Los Angeles. As for a replacement, just sit tight and keep an eye out here, blu-ray.com or thedigitalbits.com for further info if a replacement program is started.

Essentially what happens is, you mail only the affected discs in a bubble envelope with your return info to an address that CBS will make known and in about 4-6 weeks (sometimes less), you get the corrected replacement disc(s).

Having just received my season 1 set last night from Amazon I have to admit the thought of sending off 3-4 discs in the mail and waiting for 6 weeks is a pretty big downer. Oh well I guess there is no other way to correct this probably. This whole situation is a real shame as it could have easily been avoided with better QC.
 
^^ also mentions a slight sync issue on some of the extras - it's irritating because it's so slight a problem, it's a fraction of a second out. Sadly, once you notice it's there, it bugs you!

Ah well, didn't spoil my enjoyment. I just hope that they learn from this and future sets are free from such blights.
 
^^ also mentions a slight sync issue on some of the extras - it's irritating because it's so slight a problem, it's a fraction of a second out. Sadly, once you notice it's there, it bugs you!

Ah well, didn't spoil my enjoyment. I just hope that they learn from this and future sets are free from such blights.
That synch drove me mad when I watch the documentary on disk 1.

I seem to be whining a lot about these disks, but really I do think the release is fantastic even allowing for the mistakes.
 
Having just received my season 1 set last night from Amazon I have to admit the thought of sending off 3-4 discs in the mail and waiting for 6 weeks is a pretty big downer. Oh well I guess there is no other way to correct this probably.
That's allowing for the fact a replacement scheme will even be offered.
 
Having just received my season 1 set last night from Amazon I have to admit the thought of sending off 3-4 discs in the mail and waiting for 6 weeks is a pretty big downer. Oh well I guess there is no other way to correct this probably.
That's allowing for the fact a replacement scheme will even be offered.

Save your receipts! If there are that many bad discs CBS may just have people return them to the stores and exchange them once a second print is done.
 
Just got the set. I decided to watch EaF with the original stereotrack instead of the 7.1 mix. On my system the DD2.0 track plays out of synch with visuals. Can't say I'm surprised. CBS really dropped the ball on this one.

Anyone else having problems with the DD2.0 track?
 
Just got the set. I decided to watch EaF with the original stereotrack instead of the 7.1 mix. On my system the DD2.0 track plays out of synch with visuals. Can't say I'm surprised. CBS really dropped the ball on this one.

Anyone else having problems with the DD2.0 track?

I've been listing audio issues as I run into them over in the season one thread. :techman:
 
My set should arrive from Amazon tomorrow, and I was looking forward to watching some episodes this weekend, but now I'm thinking I should keep it sealed. In case CBS isn't forthcoming about a recall or replacement program, I'll just return the entire set and wait until corrected sets are available.

Replacement programs usually work pretty smoothly, in my experience. The best was Universal's replacement of Halloween II. They sent me a prepaid envelope. I returned only the disc, and within 2 weeks I received the corrected disc.

It was in fine condition, as were other replacement discs I've gotten from other companies.

Doug
 
I would like to ask everyone not to overreact because of the audio issues. This is still a breathtaking realease in quality and accomplishment. Also please remember that it's not even a year ago when TNG in HD was still being deemed impossible by most people on this board. So don't throw the baby out with the bath water because of this relatively small and probably fixable issue.

As a second point, I have noticed a problem with the audio on the episode 11001001. The dialogue, in additon to bleeding into the other front channels sounds tinny and artificial, as if generated by an old fashioned speech synthesiser. I find this very distracting, much more so then the channel problems of EaF. Has anyone else noticed this with this episode or any of the others? This is definitely an error as the speech on the stereo soundtrack sounds normal.
 
As a second point, I have noticed a problem with the audio on the episode 11001001. The dialogue, in additon to bleeding into the other front channels sounds tinny and artificial, as if generated by an old fashioned speech synthesiser. I find this very distracting, much more so then the channel problems of EaF. Has anyone else noticed this with this episode or any of the others? This is definitely an error as the speech on the stereo soundtrack sounds normal.
I'm not that impressed by the DTS Master Audio on this release as a whole - I know some reviewers are extolling its virtues - but it does sound quite harsh in places, and somewhat poorly mixed to my ear. To be honest, I've been going with the original stereo mixes since I got to Hide And Q, and honestly, I'm tempted to stay with them henceforth.

Before anybody jumps on me, and for the record, the picture quality is beyond my wildest dreams and looks absolutely amazing - just stunning to see the show like that. It is for this reason the sloppy job on the audio is doubly disappointing to me. However, I'm still enjoying my review of season 1 in HD nevertheless.
 
As a second point, I have noticed a problem with the audio on the episode 11001001. The dialogue, in additon to bleeding into the other front channels sounds tinny and artificial, as if generated by an old fashioned speech synthesiser. I find this very distracting, much more so then the channel problems of EaF. Has anyone else noticed this with this episode or any of the others? This is definitely an error as the speech on the stereo soundtrack sounds normal.
I'm not that impressed by the DTS Master Audio on this release as a whole - I know some reviewers are extolling its virtues - but it does sound quite harsh in places, and somewhat poorly mixed to my ear. To be honest, I've been going with the original stereo mixes since I got to Hide And Q, and honestly, I'm tempted to stay with them henceforth.

The issues with 11001001 go well beyond sounding harsh. The speech and most other thigns that aren't music sound damaged. As if the frequency range had been shifted and severely reduced.
 
The issues with 11001001 go well beyond sounding harsh. The speech and most other thigns that aren't music sound damaged. As if the frequency range had been shifted and severely reduced.

Interesting. I didn't hear a problem with "11001001" outside of the duplicated dialogue on the left and right. Your watching on a full 7.1 system, yes?
 
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