The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

[Trekker4747]

They don't have to "recreate" them, just re-composite the original elements. That's a touch or two "easier" to do that making entirely new shots with CGI.

 

[Sho]

Well, if I talk about creating a meal you probably don't expect me to raise the cattle and reap the corn either - they are being recreated from existing ingredients. Besides, davejames was just quoting the word Ross used originally ...

 

[Trekker4747]

If you say you're going to "create a meal", yeah I expect you're going to pull out various ingredients, some pots and pans and get too cooking. That's not what's happening with TNG. All they're doing is pulling the left-overs out of the fridge, re-heating it and then putting it back on a plate.

They don't have to make entirely new shots from scratch and "re-create" anything. They have everything they need they just need to put it back together again.

 

[davejames]

Well, if I talk about creating a meal you probably don't expect me to raise the cattle and reap the corn either - they are being recreated from existing ingredients. Besides, davejames was just quoting the word Ross used originally ...

Yeah I didn't mean recreating all of them from scratch... although there will obviously have to be a lot of that as well, when you look at all the mattes and early-CG stuff that was done in the series (like that holodeck scene in The Dauphin, or all those grand starscapes in Where No One, or the vortex in Time Squared...).

 

[Trekker4747]

I believe the vortex in "Times Squared" was a practical element, made with colored water swirling down a drain or something like that so likely won't need to be recreated. There's certainly things they will have to be recreated -they already expect to do that- but it seems a majority of the effects will be able to be reused from the original stuff.

 

[GNDN]

They are most definitely recreating the FX shots. Compositing the elements using more sophisticated methods than what were available during the original production, tweaking lighting, color balance, and levels between the various layers, recreating starfields and animation effects. This is far from trivial or 're-heating' leftovers.

 

[RAMA]

 

[Trekker4747]

They are most definitely recreating the FX shots. Compositing the elements using more sophisticated methods than what were available during the original production, tweaking lighting, color balance, and levels between the various layers, recreating starfields and animation effects. This is far from trivial or 're-heating' leftovers.

Well, not to say what they are doing is easy or trivial but that for my definition is "re-creation." They're putting the elements back together, yes they're making adjustments, tweaks and maybe new elements like starfields, planets, etc. But, for the most part, the only thing being "re-created" is the final outcome of everything. They still have the film of the models and such so some of the work is already done for them.

 

[GNDN]

They are most definitely recreating the FX shots. Compositing the elements using more sophisticated methods than what were available during the original production, tweaking lighting, color balance, and levels between the various layers, recreating starfields and animation effects. This is far from trivial or 're-heating' leftovers.

Well, not to say what they are doing is easy or trivial but that for my definition is "re-creation." They're putting the elements back together, yes they're making adjustments, tweaks and maybe new elements like starfields, planets, etc. But, for the most part, the only thing being "re-created" is the final outcome of everything. They still have the film of the models and such so some of the work is already done for them.

Agreed! And cheers to the FANTASTIC choice of preserving as much model photography as possible

 

[trekker670]

A quote from Rick Sternbach on the TrekMovie Forums:

And for folks who might not be able to tell right away if the CG Enterprise-D is being used, check the RCS thrusters around the rim of the saucer. They’ve got black capsule-shaped nozzles based on the 6-footer model rework for Generations. The 4-footer has some red squares taped on.

Regarding special features:

...I’ll be heading down to CBS Digital soon to do some talking about the design and tech material.

And some pics from the opening credits:

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/credits_1.jpg
http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/credits_2.jpg
http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/credits_3.jpg

 

[Gepard]

Looks like all the ones we've been arguing over if they're CGI are indeed CGI – the Sins of the Father shot clearly has two black vertical "capsule" shapes on the RCS thrusters, and it looks like the Inner Light warp drop-out shot has them too.

 

[22 Stars]

A quote from Rick Sternbach on the TrekMovie Forums:

And for folks who might not be able to tell right away if the CG Enterprise-D is being used, check the RCS thrusters around the rim of the saucer. They’ve got black capsule-shaped nozzles based on the 6-footer model rework for Generations. The 4-footer has some red squares taped on.

Regarding special features:

...I’ll be heading down to CBS Digital soon to do some talking about the design and tech material.

And some pics from the opening credits:

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/credits_1.jpg
http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/credits_2.jpg
http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/credits_3.jpg

Thanks! That does look awesome. I will be able to watch tomorrow but if you want, I wouldn't say no to some of the shots from the season 1 credits.

 

[trekker670]

Those were from a commenter in the TrekMovie comments. I'm still waiting for my disk also :-/

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I think it's a pretty decent effort. As someone who is a moderate fan and wouldn't notice minor edits or knows where the RCS thrusters are it looks like TNG "should" to me. Though, some things like Data's holodeck double are really obvious now.

I haven't watched any reruns in a long time so it's been a fun way to reexperience TNG. I've always liked Farpoint because I always remember the experience and excitement of watching it for the first time so I'm glad they included that in the sampler.

Now I gotta wait for a rerun to see just how bad it really did look before.

EDIT: Shit, didn't notice the watch and review thread, sorry...

 

[RAMA]

I think it's a pretty decent effort. As someone who is a moderate fan and wouldn't notice minor edits or knows where the RCS thrusters are it looks like TNG "should" to me. Though, some things like Data's holodeck double are really obvious now.

I haven't watched any reruns in a long time so it's been a fun way to reexperience TNG. I've always liked Farpoint because I always remember the experience and excitement of watching it for the first time so I'm glad they included that in the sampler.

Now I gotta wait for a rerun to see just how bad it really did look before.

EDIT: Shit, didn't notice the watch and review thread, sorry...

I am slightly annoyed that they didn't fix the obvious canvas/cover they used to keep the sun out in the holodeck forest scenes...c'mon guys..a little photoshop and done.

 

[JJohnson]

My brother and I watched about an hour of Farpoint, and I noticed in the holodeck, you can see Brent Spiner's natural skin tone; earlier, his lips are remarkably pink on the battle bridge, as if he'd been kissing Yar and got some of her lipstick on him.

The ship at warp at the odd angle is STILL there. Deneb looks a bit 'meh.' Especially with what seem like 20 of the same establishing shot without much, if any variation.

As someone stated before, the transporter effect doesn't reflect on the floor as you would expect if it were real. Also, when Riker along beams up to the stardrive section, his transporter effect doesn't look like it lines up quite right.

I'm getting my copy tomorrow from Amazon, so I'll be able to finish tomorrow evening. The image itself looks amazing, especially in comparison to the streaming versions on Netflix.

 

[mr.peany]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLtNfdf5pu8

Season One opening credits. Wow. Just wow. Sound and visuals are amazing.

 

[RAMA]

My brother and I watched about an hour of Farpoint, and I noticed in the holodeck, you can see Brent Spiner's natural skin tone; earlier, his lips are remarkably pink on the battle bridge, as if he'd been kissing Yar and got some of her lipstick on him.

The ship at warp at the odd angle is STILL there. Deneb looks a bit 'meh.' Especially with what seem like 20 of the same establishing shot without much, if any variation.

As someone stated before, the transporter effect doesn't reflect on the floor as you would expect if it were real. Also, when Riker along beams up to the stardrive section, his transporter effect doesn't look like it lines up quite right.

I'm getting my copy tomorrow from Amazon, so I'll be able to finish tomorrow evening. The image itself looks amazing, especially in comparison to the streaming versions on Netflix.

I think the painting of Deneb was universally liked, no one wanted to change it as far as I know.

 

[Tosk]

The ship at warp at the odd angle is STILL there.

Damn.

 

[Flake]

Oh well I can live with sucky warp angle shot if it means the rest is HD