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The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

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so this is happening? / going to happen already happened? where are these blue ray images from they look awful....sorry i dont read trek news and am not reading back 100 posts to figure out whats going on with this is this real like a total remaster like happened with TOS>?

Yes. First disc on 31st.
 
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/x5ue7lsm/tngent_ortho_small_side1.jpg

How can anyone say that's not a beautiful ship???

RAMA

I love the general design.

But there is one thing I never liked about the ship and that's its navigational deflector. It just never worked for me. Besides that I love the lines of ship.

Really the only thing that I don't like about the old girl is her interior. Hated that. But she shares that with TOS as well.

Now Voyager a design I never cared for (sorry Rick), Love the interior design, and ENT I like the exterior, but it's my absolute favorite interior design for a tv series ship. I thought just great, great work. I like it even better then DS9's cardassian design (and I love that show and its station).
 
What surprises me is how uneven the windows are on the larger model, and how this shows up in the screen caps. The models for the series don't look very good when seen up close. Every flaw, every cutting corner is visible, and the models to me are diminished.

Yeah I was saying the same thing earlier. As awesome as the ship looks in HD, it's even MORE apparent now that we're looking at a model.

I wouldn't say it diminishes the model though. The phaser beams in Trek have always looked like a slightly cartoonish, superimposed special effect to me, but I'm still able to go along with it for the purposes of the story. It shouldn't be any different with the ship model.

And its points like this, that I always think of when we hear that CGI design is never as good as model work. Both have strengths and weaknesses and both can be rushed and not done to the highest level of craftsmanship.

I mean even the E which was built for a movie screen (as opposed to the D) you can still see physical flaws in the build, in pictures of the actual model.
 
FC didn't suck ass at all. But it would have been made more awesome had the Ent-D been in it.
While FC wasn't a bad movie when compared to the Trek movies in general, it was sorely lacking when compared to a blockbuster film like nuStarTrek.
I blame Paramount for being cheap fucking fucks who wanted to ride the Star Trek name without actually investing in a good TNG movie.
This is highly exaggerated...especially ex post facto. This is also something the internet and ST forums are good for.
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Whoever's idea it was to:
1. Kill the good music in the series and replace with background fluff.
2. Kill Kirk.
3. Murder the Enterprise D.
4. Not invest enough money in FC to have a real movie worthy battle.
That, whoever this person is, or these people are, he/they are the asshole/s
Which has exactly nothing to do with the D being too top-heavy (which it was) and photographing weirdly on the big screen (which it did).
Yes I admit in certain scenes it wasn't flattering to the design. I wonder if the Refit Galaxy in AGT would have photographed better.
I guess we're never gonna get past that point where some nerds feel like other nerds are nerdier than them, huh? I'm a nerd, and so are all of you. Windows!
Mac!!! And occasionally OpenSUSE!! (but I don't hate Windows. Windows 7 was a winner :) )
I still enjoy Nemesis, but that's another forum and another thread...
A lot could have been forgiven if it wasn't for the horribly depressing way it ended. Data's death was unnecessary also.
Hell, when we get to AGT can we remove that thing from the show? (Except maybe the phaser cannon as that comes into play, I guess.)
I hope they don't. That whole scene will probably be CGI, but I hope in this case they stay true to the original design. If they want to erase the wings and the little antennae I'd be fine with it.
 
Let's name it: The 4 foot model IS a continuity issue. The 6 foot model is how the Enterprise is supposed to look.
Not according to the Ten Forward set, which is based on a two-deck rim. The six-footer has a single-deck rim.

Sadly, no, they never did have the time or budget to go back and redo the first batch of TOSR, a real shame. That second Enterprise mesh is so superior, it would have been nice.
Well, technically the first mesh was superior. They just didn't have the processing power to render it properly! The second mesh cut out a load of "unnecessary" detail to get the rendering time down, so that they could spend more time setting up the shots without upgrading their servers...

I just hope they fixed the hand phaser shots so that they are instantaneous, like a light beam should be, instead of the ridiculous slow "piss" beams they had.
Phasers aren't lasers, remember! They don't actually travel at the speed of light, IIRC.

Has there ever been an explanation for why they changed the dimensions so much for the 4-footer? Were they concerned that the ship looked too flat and thin from some angles?

Or was it just an accident based on inaccurate drawings or something?
Well, the saucer rim was to match the Ten Forward set, introduced in S2, and the "deep" panelling was to show up better in NTSC broadcasts. Why they changed the deflector dish shape and some of the other changes, who knows...
 
so this is happening? / going to happen already happened? where are these blue ray images from they look awful....sorry i dont read trek news and am not reading back 100 posts to figure out whats going on with this is this real like a total remaster like happened with TOS>?

This is happening and pretty much has happened. The Blu-Ray sampler back arrives on Tuesday.

And if you think these Blu-Ray images look awful I suggest you look at them in comparison to the original DVD footage/the stuff we've had for the last 25 years. And, yes, it's a total remaster even more so since the people on this project have had to go back to the original film and completely re-edit the episodes back together. (TNG was edited to video tape.)

At this point, according to reports, there's no CGI that's been used yet but it may need to be called into play in the future.

Watch this:

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQHpfk4X-wc&feature=related[/yt]

And try to tell me the Blu-Ray "looks awful."
 
I was thinking the same thing. But you know what? We're looking at still shots of the model "out of band", not the final lit model in motion. I think that it'll look a lot different in its final form.

Well, this is "final lit": http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/exclusive_images/Farpoint/Farpoint10a.jpg

I love seeing this ship up close like this, but yes, I can tell it's a model. I know a lot of people here are in the "All hail the great and powerful model" crowd (and I do enjoy the model, but I acknowledge its limitations), but I've got to say, I would really like to see a CG version of the ship. It would give us the chance to have more details, like being able to see that there are rooms behind those lights, not just a white light. That's the kind of detail work we can get out of a CG model that can't be done on a model, and that, to me, would be amazing detail to see.
 
^^^But there is a CG model. We've discussed this at length for like 20 pages.


Hurgh. I'm tired. At least the damned thing is nearly out. Then I can rest. :p
 
I know there's a CG model out there. I did read Mr. Okuda's interview about it, where he said they haven't used it yet. I'm reading the thread just like you, no worries.

I'm just saying that I'm looking forward to the CG model and the chance for more details and new shots of the ship instead of the same thing 500x over. I think I posted a link, but Tobias Richter's TMP Enterprise had an amazing detail level - you could see into the botanical windows on it! That's what a CG model can do. I would love to be able to tell those lights are real rooms, not just lights in a model. I can't wait to see TNG in HD - 5 days to go!
 
Let's name it: The 4 foot model IS a continuity issue. The 6 foot model is how the Enterprise is supposed to look.

This is Absolutely Right(TM).

The Ten-Forward window "issue" is a red herring; the four-foot model deviates from the ship as designed in so many of its curves and proportions that it's ridiculous. The show would look better if they replaced every shot of it.
 
Hurgh. I'm tired. At least the damned thing is nearly out. Then I can rest. :p

Oh but Dac, Dac ... that's when the fun begins. Muahahahaha ... :rofl:

Re Okuda, I agree - his answer is incorrect.
 
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