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Trekker4747 said:
Exactly, if it looks as good or better than the original, glorious, model I'll be happy. I'm not going to go counting windows on the neck to pick the smallest of nits. Will I pick the larger nit of, say, the saucer impulse engines being on in the TATV version of the CGI ship? Yeah, because -to me- that's a fairly big thing and if that's "changed" in the TNG-R sets then I'll make some gripes. The saucer impulse engines only came on in separated flight mode.

But I'm not the least bit concerned over a tiny window on a massive model.
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See, the funny thing is, I don't care about windows OR saucer impulse engines being lit or not. I was just correcting a poster who was trying to claim (by way of an image) that the six-foot model never had two windows in a certain spot.

I politely linked to a photo which demonstrated that it did and it was simply painted over. That poster couldn't see what I was seeing, so I created a new, easier to see image in Photoshop.

Then another poster dismissed it and said it was just a nick on the model. I pointed out they were both the same model and the window had to have been filled in and painted over as a matter of logical necessity.

Then that second poster complained that I hadn't just used the second image first!

Then you and RAMA came in. :guffaw:

Seriously, it don't care about this stuff when I'm watching the show. I was just trying to be helpful and clear up any misconceptions. A lot of good that did! :lol:
 
I guess we're never gonna get past that point where some nerds feel like other nerds are nerdier than them, huh? I'm a nerd, and so are all of you. Windows! :)
 
Maxwell Everett said:
Trekker4747 said:
Exactly, if it looks as good or better than the original, glorious, model I'll be happy. I'm not going to go counting windows on the neck to pick the smallest of nits. Will I pick the larger nit of, say, the saucer impulse engines being on in the TATV version of the CGI ship? Yeah, because -to me- that's a fairly big thing and if that's "changed" in the TNG-R sets then I'll make some gripes. The saucer impulse engines only came on in separated flight mode.

But I'm not the least bit concerned over a tiny window on a massive model.
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See, the funny thing is, I don't care about windows OR saucer impulse engines being lit or not. I was just correcting a poster who was trying to claim (by way of an image) that the six-foot model never had two windows in a certain spot.

I politely linked to a photo which demonstrated that it did and it was simply painted over. That poster couldn't see what I was seeing, so I created a new, easier to see image in Photoshop.

Then another poster dismissed it and said it was just a nick on the model. I pointed out they were both the same model and the window had to have been filled in and painted over as a matter of logical necessity.

Then that second poster complained that I hadn't just used the second image first!

Then you and RAMA came in. :guffaw:

Seriously, it don't care about this stuff when I'm watching the show. I was just trying to be helpful and clear up any misconceptions. A lot of good that did! :lol:
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All I said is that hairs were being split and that I didn't really mind a few changes.

RAMA
 
So would a top down view suffer from the same distortion issues? The faded image is the studio model overlaid on Richter's render.
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What surprises me is how uneven the windows are on the larger model, and how this shows up in the screen caps. The models for the series don't look very good when seen up close. Every flaw, every cutting corner is visible, and the models to me are diminished.
 
NewHorizon said:
So would a top down view suffer from the same distortion issues? The faded image is the studio model overlaid on Richter's render.
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Yes, but much less so. It looks like you have the studio model image still a bit too big. Look at the port and starboard sides of the saucer. If you scale it down, it might fit better. It won't be perfect, but it'll be closer.

EDIT: Wait... did you use this shot? Cause I think it's the 4-footer.
 
RAMA said:
Skywalker said:
GalaxyX said:
It makes his wrong when every single TNG movie sucked ass, with First Contact sucking the least ass of them all.
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Which has exactly nothing to do with the D being too top-heavy (which it was) and photographing weirdly on the big screen (which it did).
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Bah...I love this shot:

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Indeed. I never found the Enterprise "top heavy" looking, mostly because I know such a concept is.... "silly" in space where nothing is heavy. From some angles I can... sort of see the argument, but over all the Galaxy-Class is beautiful to me.

The Galaxy Dreadnought seen in AGT? Ugly, the widgets/winglets added to the ship, the phaser cannon, and that third-nacelle. It took a perfect design and ruined it beyond all stupidity.

Hell, when we get to AGT can we remove that thing from the show? (Except maybe the phaser cannon as that comes into play, I guess.)

But, overall, the Galaxy is glorious. I just love the sheer, awesome and immense size of her. A flying city in space. I mean... It's amazing to just even look over the blueprints and just marvel and the complexity and size such a ship would really have. And there's so much more we could have seen and experienced with the ship if the show was being made today and had a large enough budget to really show off the interior rooms.

Sigh. The idea (according to the blueprints) of an entire deck being pretty much a dedicated, almost fully functioning hospital that even had a reception area, patient rooms and entire wards is just awesome and gives it so much more life than what we gleam from just seeing Sickbay and a couple operating and recovery suites.

Sigh.

I love the -D.
 
There's nothing ungainly or "top heavy" about the 1701-D; it's just proportioned differently than the original Enterprise. Every design looks good from some angles and bad from others, and it was a matter of the effects artists finding the several good views of Picard's ship (most of the reusable shots delivered for the pilot were based on similar angles of the TOS ship and some were unflattering).
 
The problem I had with the destruction of the Enterprise is the same one I had with the capture of the Enterprise in "Rascals" is that for the plot of the story to advance is that the crew had to be shown as inept.
 
throwback said:
What surprises me is how uneven the windows are on the larger model, and how this shows up in the screen caps. The models for the series don't look very good when seen up close. Every flaw, every cutting corner is visible, and the models to me are diminished.
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I was thinking the same thing. But you know what? We're looking at still shots of the model "out of band", not the final lit model in motion. I think that it'll look a lot different in its final form.
 
RAMA said:
Skywalker said:
GalaxyX said:
It makes his wrong when every single TNG movie sucked ass, with First Contact sucking the least ass of them all.
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Which has exactly nothing to do with the D being too top-heavy (which it was) and photographing weirdly on the big screen (which it did).
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Bah...I love this shot:

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This is a great shot of the 1701-D. I'd love to see it with a CG model, though so we could see into those windows and see what's inside the ship. That's the detail a CG model can give over a physical model. Tobias did a shot of the movie Enterprise with a great shot of the secondary hull's botanical garden.
 
throwback said:
What surprises me is how uneven the windows are on the larger model, and how this shows up in the screen caps. The models for the series don't look very good when seen up close. Every flaw, every cutting corner is visible, and the models to me are diminished.
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Yeah I was saying the same thing earlier. As awesome as the ship looks in HD, it's even MORE apparent now that we're looking at a model.

I wouldn't say it diminishes the model though. The phaser beams in Trek have always looked like a slightly cartoonish, superimposed special effect to me, but I'm still able to go along with it for the purposes of the story. It shouldn't be any different with the ship model.
 
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Trekker4747 said:
Still, the Enterprise-D was as much of a "character" as anyone else, destroying it in such an un-dignified manner was insulting almost as insulting as the way the killed Kirk in the same movie.

The TNG cast just wasn't the same on that fanwank of a ship Enterprise-E.
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I absolutely loved the Ent-E bridge and other interiors, but yeah, the exterior just didn't have nearly the same grace and originality that the Ent-D had.

It was still a fairly badass design and all, but it just didn't feel enough like "TNG" for some reason.
 
so this is happening? / going to happen already happened? where are these blue ray images from they look awful....sorry i dont read trek news and am not reading back 100 posts to figure out whats going on with this is this real like a total remaster like happened with TOS>?
 
oh ok i read that okuda guy talking about how it was harder to do this that tos for some technical reason. ok whatever. I think imma listen to "Milk It" by Nirvana and think of what Paramount is doing to Star Trek. Greedy bastards. At least i hope this will mean the old DVDS will become cheap for poor people like me to buy! BTW, this store called GAme Stop/ Movie Stop was selling these DEEP SPACE NINE season 1 and 2 sets in these CRAPPY asian package, like all warped with mispellings all over them and they looked fing awful, and to top it all off they wanted 50 dollars for em talk about a rip to your consumers. These things were total crap. I was apalled, went down to c depot and bought the captains log collection to replace the time travel DVDS i used to have before my sisters crackhead boyfriend stole em. they cose 24 which wasnt bad, not as good as SNL seaons 2 and 3 (special edition) that i got for 9 dollars each!!! from best buy of all plaves. they are like 26 hours long!!! each now thats a deal and half! I'll never finish all them!
Anyway TNG should look real nice, I hope they put it online like the other ones. on CBS.com so i can watch em! too bad they took em all down. also too bad the Capt log DVD didnt have the remasters like the Time Travel ones did, they looked remasted as far as color but notFX . a small let down
 
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