The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

[Sho]

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R discussion thread!

I just saw the people walking around in that window. Was that in the original, or was it a CGI enhancement?

It's in the original.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Although they appeared more like vague shadows. here it'S a totally different quality.

 

[Trekker4747]

You won't need that much.

All previous releases of Star Trek on DVD (all series) have cost around $100-$120, retail. Unless Paramount has wise up and started pricing their series sets more on par with other TV series I wouldn't much expect TNG-R to be any different.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

That was in an overheated economy with easy access to credit. I expect the markup to be substantially lower on release. I think they'll have judged the price elasticity of demand incorrectly if they believe they can gouge customers for $120 per season set.

 

[Relayer1]

I don't really see those things as "charm" as such, I'm in favour of the best possible presentation of the series. When we're talking about effectively remaking the whole series from the rushes, some things will inevitably be different. The whole HD presentation is something that was never intended.

It's just a change in resolution, nothing else. It doesn't change anything about the composition of shots, the design of elements or the content of scenes. Rushes and improvisation and stock shots and mistakes are part of any film production, plain and simple. TNG has always been a show where they say "Distance to target five thousand kilometers" and then they show an external space shot where the ship is only 500 meters away. Picard says "Increase speed to warp 6" and Geordi says "Aye sir, full impulse." Should we re-dub this because it's an error or should we just keep it as it was because it has been part of the show for 25 years already?

I'd say to keep as much as possible wherever possible, especially model shots, but correct ANYTHING that's wrong - this is a golden opportunity.

Overdub incorrect dialogue, new effects where needed, new 'stock' shots for variety, new planet surfaces, new starscapes and planets as required, new ships inserted onto old model shots. Whatever is required - just remember though, Han shot first...

 

[Relayer1]

Re: Entire series to be remastered for Blu-Ray

Yes, they can. Most of the people who buy the sets won't care which aspect ratio the show is in.

But we do. I want TOS in widescreen too.

There's a variety of ways that avoid loss of info. All of the space shots can be extended digitally. Some other shots can be stretched almost unnoticably towards the edges, some can be extended by CGI and others cropped where unavoidable.

I doubt I'd buy it without it being widescreen...

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

...and I'd prefer not to lose any information by cropping the image. They can't win.

 

[Relayer1]

...and I'd prefer not to lose any information by cropping the image. They can't win.

Would it be too much to ask for for the Blurays to give you an option of which format you want to view in ?

 

[JarodRussell]

If they did two versions, the master would have to be in something like 1920x1440 pixels, right? So that they can create a 16:9 1080p version and a 4:3 1080p version in best quality?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

...and I'd prefer not to lose any information by cropping the image. They can't win.

Would it be too much to ask for for the Blurays to give you an option of which format you want to view in ?

Is there is a way to encode one video mode with different aspect ratios? If you encoded 1080 lines at 4:3 so when it is cropped to 16:9 is 810 lines rather than 720 lines, you'd have to lose an additional 90 lines and have a lower definition picture as well.

 

[Sho]

I don't get the obsession with widescreen. I like 4:3 when a show was framed for it, as TNG was.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I don't get the obsession with widescreen. I like 4:3 when a show was framed for it, as TNG was.

I agree. I think they'll hit problems with close ups of faces. Those really don't look very good (to me, anyway) when you crop them down to 16:9.

 

[Caretaker]

Re: Entire series to be remastered for Blu-Ray

We'll have to see what they price a season set at. My guess is $40 wholesale, so maybe $60 to $80 retail. Amazon doesn't even have a placeholder listing for the taster set yet.

$60-$80 retail for a Paramount BD DVD Set is laughable, the TOS sets on BD have a SRP of around $130, about what the SRP of the DVDs sets were when the DVDs first came out 10 years ago.

I'd expect the BDs for TNG to be much in the same price-range, around $130 retail, though when they first come out they'll be cheaper per Best Buy's usual first-week release sale and they'll be cheaper on Amazon probably all of the time.

As long as there are no retailer-exclusive bonus discs with each season set this time...

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

We never got those discs in the UK in any case. The market seems to work correctly to drive down prices here, although they never seem to go as low as they can do in the US.

 

[Maxwell Everett]

If they did two versions, the master would have to be in something like 1920x1440 pixels, right? So that they can create a 16:9 1080p version and a 4:3 1080p version in best quality?

If you look at the trailer, it has a shot that says "FULL APERTURE 35MM LENS GATE." This strongly implies they're doing full aperture 2k (2048×1556) or 4k (4096×3112) scans. These scans would contain enough picture information on all sides to do full 1080p crops at the originally intended 4:3 or a new 16:9.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

The original framing would have been only for 4:3, so unless they are really careful, I'd expect a lot of odd looking framing if they do go for 16:9. Even then, they might have to compromise for shots such as close-ups of actor's faces. There was a lot of controversy when The World at War was cropped to 16:9 for Blu-ray, which probably cost the studio the loss of many potential sales.

 

[Maxwell Everett]

The original framing would have been only for 4:3, so unless they are really careful, I'd expect a lot of odd looking framing if they do go for 16:9. Even then, they might have to compromise for shots such as close-ups of actor's faces.

Yep, they shot standard 35mm which has the lens offset to the right. Which is probably why they're relegating the 16:9 (if they're opening up the framing at all) to syndication and digital streaming. They're simply not going re-frame shots or erase C-stands and dolly track.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

The original framing would have been only for 4:3, so unless they are really careful, I'd expect a lot of odd looking framing if they do go for 16:9. Even then, they might have to compromise for shots such as close-ups of actor's faces.

Yep, they shot standard 35mm which has the lens offset to the right. Which is probably why they're relegating the 16:9 (if they're opening up the framing at all) to syndication and digital streaming. They're simply not going re-frame shots or erase C-stands and dolly track.

Ah, you are obviously a seasoned professional, so I'll defer to your knowledge. I hadn't even brought lighting and rigging into consideration.

 

[Mr. B]

If they did two versions, the master would have to be in something like 1920x1440 pixels, right? So that they can create a 16:9 1080p version and a 4:3 1080p version in best quality?

1080p means 1,080 vertical pixels, that's the cap for a Blu-ray disc and 1080p TVs.

It would certainly be possible to put multiple versions on a disc, but that would require completely separate video files.... essentially doubling the number of discs required in a box set.

 

[Rarewolf]

Do you reckon they'll standardize the title sequence across all 7 seasons?