One person tries to kill everyone in the government they are called a terrorist, five people try and they are called a terrorist cell, million try and they are called freedom fighters.
The number one problem with America...
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One person tries to kill everyone in the government they are called a terrorist, five people try and they are called a terrorist cell, million try and they are called freedom fighters.
Or we can keep trying to legally improve the system from within without armed insurrection, slow though it may be. I know, it's crazy talk.
J
Jetfire
Guest
In the last presidential election people voted for change and won...or I thought they did. 
So, enlighten me. What is so much worse about the last several decades versus the time before that warrants an armed revolt now? Sell me on joining your rebellion, young Skywalker.
^ I just picked the last few decades, we are long over due for a new Constitution.
The problem is now we are running out of time before our debt is more than we will bring in, we bail out billionaires so they get more money yet attack the unions doing all the work for the billionaires.
Corporations have too much power, political parties just care about winning, and the supreme court ruled that it's fine if the government wants to take your house and build a Viagra plant that was never built or a CVS, as long as the town gets more money. Rich people from other countries and corporations want to buy US elections! That's fine! That's their freedom of speech right! That's fucking bullshit.
Change you can believe in!
...if you are living in a dreamland.
America still tortures, still has people locked up without trials, still is fighting wars without any plans, still spies on it's people and is still spending too much. However at least now we are spending more of the money in our own country.
The problem is now we are running out of time before our debt is more than we will bring in, we bail out billionaires so they get more money yet attack the unions doing all the work for the billionaires.
Corporations have too much power, political parties just care about winning, and the supreme court ruled that it's fine if the government wants to take your house and build a Viagra plant that was never built or a CVS, as long as the town gets more money. Rich people from other countries and corporations want to buy US elections! That's fine! That's their freedom of speech right! That's fucking bullshit.
In the last presidential election people voted for change and won...or I thought they did.
Change you can believe in!
...if you are living in a dreamland.
America still tortures, still has people locked up without trials, still is fighting wars without any plans, still spies on it's people and is still spending too much. However at least now we are spending more of the money in our own country.
Well you have a point. An American Revolution will most likely be started on the web first than on the ground. The better connection, the better feed-back. Going state by state wouldn't do it. Going door to door wouldn't do it, but starting a website or chat room, that will gain the most strenght. Its wether in the end it amounts to people getting off the computer to finish it.
Nowhere Man
Commodore
Well esentially yes, the voters. I'm talking about government entities, but yes the politicians too. I did not vote for the Supreme Court which made corperations people. We do create our own problems though, *caugh* Osama Bin Ladin *caugh* Sadam Husein.
The government is us--we put them there. By your logic, voters are the problem, not government.
Nowhere Man
Commodore
Oh, I'ma sorry massa, Isa no speak up again. How dares I speak out against my sweet Uncle Sam.
Yeah right, that right you speak of, the first ammendment, yeah that right didn't come from the government, it is inalienable. That means it is a natural right. It comes from god, if you don't believe in god, fine it comes naturally. The thread that I posted a few months ogo was a proposed, revised Constitution and a return to the original Constitution, it's what we are suposed to be doing. I will defend every one of those "changes" that are somehow unworkable even though they have worked in the past. So, yeah I do despise what this country has become, not what is was suposed to be. A Republic, not an Empire.
I despise the fact that we are currently interfering in a civil war without the President even consulting Congress, much less actually declare war. I despise the fact that alleged terrorists are bieng denied Hebieus Corpus.
I despise the fact that there is currently a heath care law that allows Congress to force people to purchase health insurance.
There are a lot of things I do despise about this country, but there are two documents I love, The Declaration and the Constition. That is more important than anything else.
Y'know, I don't see why moderates and us liberals are so hot for armed insurrection. If anything the last election demonstrated that the electorate is heavily swayed by conservative populist appeal.
I don't see why a "revolution" would produce anything all that different.
I don't see why a "revolution" would produce anything all that different.
Oh, I'ma sorry massa, Isa no speak up again. How dares I speak out against my sweet Uncle Sam.
I see you remain as disagreeable and reactionary as ever. Nowhere in my post did I tell you to remain silent, so save the drama for your mama.
That's fantastic, except my post had jack and shit to do with the First Amendment. I meant the US government, which you despise and would largely defund and disassemble, quite literally created the very internet you're using today to bitch about the government being bad. Hyperbolic and vague rhetoric like "government is the problem" excuses the fact that the government is us, it ignores the contributions and accomplishments of the people made through the government, and it childishly declares that there's nothing to be done to improve it without having another revolution or completely overhauling the entire Constitution.
It was a collection of largely anachronistic, contradictory, impractical, and ignorant proposals that would destroy the nation if they were ever implemented. Thankfully there's zero chance of that ever happening.
Who determines what we are supposed to be doing, exactly? The Founding Fathers? The same guys who realized they couldn't foresee every future development, so they made the Constitution a living document which could grow and change with the times, a fact that you seem to have forgotten in your desire to throw us back to pre-Civil War era law. Just because something worked in the past doesn't mean it's practical today.
Obama notified Congress within 48 hours of the start of operations as required by the War Powers Resolution. Way back on March 1, the Senate voted unanimously for a resolution calling for a no-fly zone from the United Nations. The UN Security Council voted in favor of establishing a no-fly zone+ to protect civilians. The no-fly zone and airstrikes were carried out by the US, France, Britain and other allies. NATO unanimously voted to take over combat operations. The Arab League requested the UN to establish said no-fly zone. The rebels in Libya requested the establishment of the no-fly zone. This thing's been approved out the wazoo.
If Obama had waited for Congress; which was not in session, to vote on the Libya situation the people rebelling in Benghazi would have been slaughtered by the thousands. It was a matter of us having forces in the region who could strike in time to prevent a massacre. Not to mention that Congress might have held it up just because Obama supported it, despite many of them supporting it before he did and then flipping the moment he took their side.
I'd agree with you on this usually, but in this case we interfered to save thousands of lives in immediate danger and we did it with tons of approval both domestically and abroad. It's hardly indicative of imperialist behavior.
You're already paying for millions of uninsured people to get health care.
We did not help in Iraq. Unless when you say "help" you mean "tried to talk you out of it".
I seriously hope that isn't a photo of you graduating high school, my opinion of the US education system is low enough as it is.
^^
The problem isn't the education system. The problem is that parents don't give a shit anymore. They don't care if their kids sit in front of the TV and absorb a million hours of sex, drugs and money and allow that to replace morals and a good, firm "Listen to your teacher or you can just sit in the corner with nothing but your own thoughts to amuse you". If kids listened to the teacher and did their homework most of the time then every country's school system would be perfect. The problem lies in the parents.
The Japanese or Chinese or German or Russian school system isn't better than ours; it's that the adults of that country aren't afraid to instill discipline in their children. I have yet to meet a rude or dumb person from a foreign first-world country, and the same is true of many (not all) second- and third-world countries.
The problem isn't the education system. The problem is that parents don't give a shit anymore. They don't care if their kids sit in front of the TV and absorb a million hours of sex, drugs and money and allow that to replace morals and a good, firm "Listen to your teacher or you can just sit in the corner with nothing but your own thoughts to amuse you". If kids listened to the teacher and did their homework most of the time then every country's school system would be perfect. The problem lies in the parents.
The Japanese or Chinese or German or Russian school system isn't better than ours; it's that the adults of that country aren't afraid to instill discipline in their children. I have yet to meet a rude or dumb person from a foreign first-world country, and the same is true of many (not all) second- and third-world countries.
This nonsense never gets old, I guess. Who needs studies, statistics, and evidence? You've met a few people, which makes you qualified to make broad judgments on the decline of society, apparently. Good to know.
Well you should check again then, because they are actively engaged in combat operations in both Afghanistan and Libya right now.
I of course was completely serious about Canada. I have never trusted Canadians and I never will. I can never forgive them for Celine Dion.
OR Vietnam. We always forget our true friend: Australia.
On the plus side, Canada gave us Kids in the Hall and, in an indirect way, Newsradio.
Oh, I'ma sorry massa, Isa no speak up again. How dares I speak out against my sweet Uncle Sam.
The thread that I posted a few months ogo was a proposed, revised Constitution and a return to the original Constitution, it's what we are suposed to be doing. I will defend every one of those "changes" that are somehow unworkable even though they have worked in the past. So, yeah I do despise what this country has become, not what is was suposed to be. A Republic, not an Empire.
I despise the fact that we are currently interfering in a civil war without the President even consulting Congress, much less actually declare war. I despise the fact that alleged terrorists are bieng denied Hebieus Corpus.
I despise the fact that there is currently a heath care law that allows Congress to force people to purchase health insurance.
There are a lot of things I do despise about this country, but there are two documents I love, The Declaration and the Constition. That is more important than anything else.
You do realize that the 1st admendment was only supposed to be for speaking out against the governement, its not naturally or spiritually given, if that was true every citizen in a government system in the world would be able to speak.
IF your religious, you wouldn't want to go to the original constitution, seeing how the original founding fathers weren't devote. Both The Declaration(which was copied like you wouldn't believe) and the original constitution didn't want religion to be any part of the government. Jefferson copied the declaration(only changing a little) from an atheist who was against religious people being in charge of a government office. So, I think you might want to do some more reading on these things you hate because some of your info isn't quite up to date.
They declared the part of the health care legislation that said all americans had to get insurance to be unconstitutional, so that part was erased. No need to be mad there.
I never really cared much for checking on Canadian military operations. My memory is bad, I thought they were with us in Iraq, oops.
