The next villain?

[Trekkie2]

Well, Trekmovie.com has an article where they have confirmed that they are not going to reboot a pre-existing story and that they are sensibly moving the timeline on a bit. The events in the last movie are also part of a Vulcan arc (no doubt to inject a bit of friction into the Spock Uhura relationship. I think we might get a few Easter Egg characters but the main thrust of the plot is going to be original. A visit by Rosario Dawson as T'Pring with Carol Marcus might have the mix for a decent B plot and my money is still on Harry Mudd getting a cameo.

When Rosario Dawson made a comment that she would like to be in the next Star Trek movie, I immediately thought that she would make a perfect T'Pring. I see this character having a direct confrontation with Uhura, concerning Spock. As for moving along the timeline a bit, I think this concerns the events that Spock relayed to Kirk in the ice cave on Delta Vega. That means exploring Nero's time on, and escape from Rura Penthe. And this is where we find....an "Easter Egg" character(s). So, for the villains, we have a combined force. We have Romulans, Klingons, Vulcans, and Harry Mudd.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I was just thinking today about how much I would like a true Trek Heart of Darkness film, and I think the Bad Robot guys could pull it off. Victor Garber would make for a great renegade captain.

 

[Set Harth]

As for moving along the timeline a bit, I think this concerns the events that Spock relayed to Kirk in the ice cave on Delta Vega. That means exploring Nero's time on, and escape from Rura Penthe.

That wouldn't be "moving along the timeline". That would be going backwards and wallowing in deleted scenes from the previous film.

 

[Thomas.B]

I think whatever the story or villain, it would be cool for them to visit one or two alien planets. I'd like it to be a story where they aren't on the ship so much. The reboot had them doing stunts and fighting on the drill platform and on Nero's ship. But they have a lot more they can do. It's a young cast again so I think they should take advantage of that.
I'd like the next movie to be like a galaxy hoping adventure where they have to follow a trail from planet to planet.
I don't object to a central villain. Just not the same old Kirk and company looking at him through a view screen while he monologues stuff.

 

[captainkirk]

Orci recently said that there will be alien planets and the opening scenes will feature the Enterprise flying over one.

 

[Saquist]

The really should be doing classic stuff like Kang Kor and Kolloth

 

[Trekkie2]

As for moving along the timeline a bit, I think this concerns the events that Spock relayed to Kirk in the ice cave on Delta Vega. That means exploring Nero's time on, and escape from Rura Penthe.

That wouldn't be "moving along the timeline". That would be going backwards and wallowing in deleted scenes from the previous film.

Not if there's something of importance there.

 

[los2188]

I'd kind of like to see Cardassians as the next villain. I don't recall the TOS history of the Cardassians or even if there is one, but to me you have a really good chance to really tell great stories between them and the Federation.

 

[a fearsome grue]

let's hope if they actually do a Kahn reboot, they make him Asian this time.

 

[Yevetha]

I'd kind of like to see Cardassians as the next villain. I don't recall the TOS history of the Cardassians or even if there is one, but to me you have a really good chance to really tell great stories between them and the Federation.

I thnik the Breen would be an even better idea.

 

[Mage]

The problem with Cardassians and the Breen is, they are more known by fans, not people that know Star Trek.

Romulans are, Klingons are. That's why they were there (Klingons only in the simulation of the Maru, but still), to appeal to the casual watchers of Star Trek and people that have never seen an episode.

If you're going to stuff the next film full of characters and races that only the fans would know, you're making things less appealing to non-fans. And face it, they are marketing these films to everyone, not just hardcore fans. They used to do that, and what happened? Trek films attracted less and less viewers in the cinema's, because Trek fans are only a small portion of all cinema-visiting viewers. And in the end of the day, it's all about one thing: money. Sure, Abhrams and co are into Trek themselves, but they need to make money, that's what the studios want.

So, bringing in T'Pring could still work, since there was only a little backstory. But bringing in the Cardies is a whole other level. Trekkers will understand everything about them. The casual fan, or even non-fan who was attracted by the trailer and internetbuzz, will not. You need to explain things to much, which costs screentime and slows down plots.

Making it simple, by either using established races or introducing complete new once that don't need deep exploring, or can be explored throughout the plot/film, makes things more interesting to everyone, not just hardcore fans like you and me.

 

[Yevetha]

Romulans are, Klingons are. That's why they were there (Klingons only in the simulation of the Maru, but still), to appeal to the casual watchers of Star Trek and people that have never seen an episode.

I dont think most people had any idea that there were Rumulans in the movie after watching the trailer.

 

[Mage]

Romulans are, Klingons are. That's why they were there (Klingons only in the simulation of the Maru, but still), to appeal to the casual watchers of Star Trek and people that have never seen an episode.

I dont think most people had any idea that there were Rumulans in the movie after watching the trailer.

And most people that have heard of Star Trek but have never or hardly seen it will have heard of Romulans. So they do recognize the name.

 

[Yevetha]

So what?

New species and villains get introduced all the time.

Nobody heard about the Borg before TNG, or the Dominion before DS 9 but it worked didnt it.

 

[los2188]

The problem with Cardassians and the Breen is, they are more known by fans, not people that know Star Trek.

Romulans are, Klingons are. That's why they were there (Klingons only in the simulation of the Maru, but still), to appeal to the casual watchers of Star Trek and people that have never seen an episode.

If you're going to stuff the next film full of characters and races that only the fans would know, you're making things less appealing to non-fans. And face it, they are marketing these films to everyone, not just hardcore fans. They used to do that, and what happened? Trek films attracted less and less viewers in the cinema's, because Trek fans are only a small portion of all cinema-visiting viewers. And in the end of the day, it's all about one thing: money. Sure, Abhrams and co are into Trek themselves, but they need to make money, that's what the studios want.

So, bringing in T'Pring could still work, since there was only a little backstory. But bringing in the Cardies is a whole other level. Trekkers will understand everything about them. The casual fan, or even non-fan who was attracted by the trailer and internetbuzz, will not. You need to explain things to much, which costs screentime and slows down plots.

Making it simple, by either using established races or introducing complete new once that don't need deep exploring, or can be explored throughout the plot/film, makes things more interesting to everyone, not just hardcore fans like you and me.

I see what you're saying, but just because the casual fan may not know Cardassians or Breen, doesn't mean that they can't use them. I mean if they use an all new villain, then obviously who knows them?? I'd like to see the Cardassians be the villain and when you do it, the film can be used to tell a story of who they are to the casual, hardcore, and non Trek fans. To me, that's the challenge of being able to put out a good movie when you can take the unknown and turn it into the greatest thing since an egg-white omelette.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

It doesn't matter if the audience hasn't heard of Cardassians or the Breen. What does matter is that they make good villains. The Cardies have tons of development for the movie writers to draw on, so the odds are good that the Cardies would come off well.

But the Breen are cyphers, and there's no advantage to using them vs a made-up race that are also cyphers, that the movie writers have to develop from the ground up. The only thing that's been done for the Breen is to establish their look, and that's another problem, for folks who think that it's all too damn Star Warsy as it is.

 

[cwl]

We had Romulans in the first movie, we deffo need the Klingons in the second. It's the law.

 

[ChristopherPike]

Sadly, Nero had no particular Romulan traits and was simply a heavy with no smarts. He's a blunt instrument brought in to shatter the canon. Not a schemer like Tomalak. Not a warrior with a conscience like Mark Lenard's Commander.

So I still think things should go completely the opposite way the original movie series went.

Klingons involved but about as much the Romulans were before.

The Romulans are cursed. Twice now they've tried to do them and actually still haven't. Changing the subject to a human clone and his Reman buddies. Or the equivalent of roughneck pirates, driven by their Captain's personal vendetta. In both cases, Khan wannabes.

What about their culture? Do they have a religion? Do they worship an anti-Surak figure? Follow a corrupted version of Surak's teachings maybe. The Romulans started out as a cult when they left Vulcan. Could their Prateor be more than a voted in figure-head? It looks that way in "Unification" and Star Trek Nemesis. But what about the past? The Prateors could've been more like the Borgias... starting wars and ever expanding their Empire. Hoping eventually one day to subjegate the Federation and replacing its democracy with a different way of life. We know they don't live for conquest or simply because it's glorious, like the Klingons. So why?

Klingons are great, but a little too developed. We know absolutely everything about them. Which is fine and they can still find mileage in that recognition. But used sparingly.

Just my two cents' worth... which of course means that the sequel's bound to be wall-to-wall blood wine parties, knife fights and headbutting!

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Everything is better with Cardassians in it.

Seriously, if they were to make a special guest appearance, I'd be squeeing my way through life all through 2012.

 

[tr1bbles]

Tribbles. Lots of tribbles.