here's an idea: what about a villain that's not a one-shot character? Like either a background recurring villain who's not the center of the story or a main villain that lasts for a few movies, like Darth Vader in Star Wars, who gets defeated in ANH but escapes to be in the next two.
The next villain?
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How about Captain Garth? Maybe we could see the events that made him lose his mind, and see him in command of a starship run like a pirate ship. You know, half his crew supports him and the other half...tough luck.
Only leave out all that "cellular metamorphosis" stuff.
I think Garth would make a good recurring nemesis for Kirk. He's a superior, more experienced commander, but because he's insane he wouldn't be held back by all those pesky Starfleet regulations.
Oh, and give him a cool ship.
Actually, in the original series, the star dates were not matched up to the years the show was on. I try not to think about this too much because it's confusing as hell. V'ger was supposed to have happened in 2271, so linking star dates are only for those who "boldy go where no man has gone before."
According to Voyager's "Q2", the TOS 5YM ended in 2270. TMP is 2.5 years after that (according to dialogue in the film), in 2272 or 2273. The old 2271 date is from the 1993 Star Trek Chronology, which has since been contradicted by First Contact, Voyager and Enterprise.
Leslie. He seems just like another ordinary redshirt, but in fact he's a criminal mastermind. He's probably not even human, which might explain how he survives his apparent death in Obsession.
How about those evil flying pancakes?
This. I would love a movie about Klingon culture, and throw in some moral ambiguity-- show some danger and backlash for young Kirk's ridiculous ego. Also it would make sense for the Klingons to make an early offensive move to take advantage of the power vacuum left with the destruction of Vulcan.
I don't get this. A Federation without a strong Vulcan component is liable to be far more aggressive. The Klingons and Romulans may want to think twice before fucking with the Feds in the Abramsverse.
Now that sounds alright to me!
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Giant Space Ameoba FTW!
Fried eggs! They were flying fried eggs.
Hmm, perhaps the "enemy" will be the Federation itself, which starts to go all wrong, lacking the steadying hand of the Vulcans? Or is that getting into navel-gazing DS9ish territory?
Anyway, let's work backwards from the basics. What the next movie needs is to A) show Kirk growing up from smug-punk into a genuine hero who bears some resemblance to the Kirk we know. It may also need B) to show Spock's arc, going in the other direction, spiraling away from the emotionally controlled guy we already know.
Feds-as-foe doesn't really serve the needs of A. Instead, some fearsome external enemy would be better. But for B, the Feds-as-foe idea could be a nice parallel to Spock's story.
So we can't know the answer to this question till we know what the next movie hopes to accomplish.
Those are antagonists.
oh right, I'm stupid. I misread what was written.
how about "E.T." or "district 9" then?
Problem is, the Federation has already f***** with the Klingons, and the Klingons don't appreciate being embarrassed, especially when the only person to have escaped the prison planet before Nero, became the first Federation president, rubbing it in their faces. And Admiral Archer was mentioned in STXI.
I do think Pike is going to figure prominently, in this next movie. Maybe the Vulcan royalty rears is pompous ugly head.
Yevetha
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Those things were nothing like the Trek aliens which can be used as protagonists for a movie.
But i do find the idea of action-adventure with alien protagonists intriguing.
lets hope someone makes a movie with those.
Well, Trekmovie.com has an article where they have confirmed that they are not going to reboot a pre-existing story and that they are sensibly moving the timeline on a bit. The events in the last movie are also part of a Vulcan arc (no doubt to inject a bit of friction into the Spock Uhura relationship. I think we might get a few Easter Egg characters but the main thrust of the plot is going to be original. A visit by Rosario Dawson as T'Pring with Carol Marcus might have the mix for a decent B plot and my money is still on Harry Mudd getting a cameo.
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