The Shenzhou is a gorgeous lady of the sky
Spoilers The new (massive spoiler) ship!
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When I first saw them, in more or less the order that I first saw them:
1. Refit Enterprise / Enterprise-A --> Loved it! This was and still is my favorite.
2. Enterprise-D --> I thought it looked like the Enterprise of The Future.
3. TOS Enterprise --> I thought it looked very 1960s, but accepted it for what it was and when it was made.
4. "The Cage" Enterprise --> Strangely, I like the pilot version better.
5-6. Enterprises B and C --> No real opinion.
7. Enterprise-E --> I thought it looked great from all angles except the underside. That took getting used to. I liked the ship less and less as time went on, yet I can't picture FC without it.
8. NX-01 Enterprise --> Not what I imagined a 22nd Century Enterprise would be at first, but it works for what it is.
9. Enterprise-J --> Too squished looking. And I couldn't unsee it once someone said it looked like a pizza cutter.
10. JJ Enterprise --> Thanks, but no thanks.
11. SNW Enterprise --> What the JJ Enterprise should've been.
12. Enterprise-F --> Sorry haters, but I already like it better than at least half of these others. It fixes what I didn't like about the E: namely the underbelly, and the overall shape of the ship is a little bit more organic-looking.
1. Refit Enterprise / Enterprise-A --> Loved it! This was and still is my favorite.
2. Enterprise-D --> I thought it looked like the Enterprise of The Future.
3. TOS Enterprise --> I thought it looked very 1960s, but accepted it for what it was and when it was made.
4. "The Cage" Enterprise --> Strangely, I like the pilot version better.
5-6. Enterprises B and C --> No real opinion.
7. Enterprise-E --> I thought it looked great from all angles except the underside. That took getting used to. I liked the ship less and less as time went on, yet I can't picture FC without it.
8. NX-01 Enterprise --> Not what I imagined a 22nd Century Enterprise would be at first, but it works for what it is.
9. Enterprise-J --> Too squished looking. And I couldn't unsee it once someone said it looked like a pizza cutter.
10. JJ Enterprise --> Thanks, but no thanks.
11. SNW Enterprise --> What the JJ Enterprise should've been.
12. Enterprise-F --> Sorry haters, but I already like it better than at least half of these others. It fixes what I didn't like about the E: namely the underbelly, and the overall shape of the ship is a little bit more organic-looking.
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I like the Shenzhou as well. It's my favorite DSC ship. However, its deflector dish aside, it looks more like a design that would fit better post-TUC rather than pre-TOS (like pretty much all the season 1 DSC ships, with the exception of the Engle class, which looks like a logical extrapolation of the NX class from a century before.)
NX-01: It took a while till I got over the obvious 'Akira upside down' look, but it could be that the Akira itself was an hommage to the NX. Compared to the others, it doesn't stand out. I don't need to have a model of it, or a wallpaper, etc.
1701 (Kelvin): That first picture they released was really ugly. There are angles that make it look good, but the secondary hull was really odd. It extends too far forward under the neck, and becomes too thin too soon at the back end. The pylons shouldn't be curved inwards pushing the nacelles too close to each other, making it look bad from above or below. Nacelle size was never an issue for me, I just never liked the proportions of that secondary hull. I did get the PM model though
1701 (TOS): I actually found it flimsy and cheap at first, and thought if they ever make new shows set in that time, they should give it angled and thicker pylons, and more hull details - then I appreciated it more and more as the classic that started it all and that all other shows are still based on. Had to get the AA/DST model!
1701 (DIS,SNW): Accepting the TOS version as what the 1701 is supposed to be, as it was for 50+ years, this ship looks too advanced for the time it's set in. Works as an alternate timeline refit, like a Mirror or Kelvin design from the late 23rd century. Won't ever need a model of it.
1701 (TMP and -A): Perfect 23rd century design. Especially with the pearlescent hull! Got the MM and HW models.
B: I like the secondary hull additions, make it look stronger than the Excelsior, but it has too many impulse engines Having the MM model is enough.
C: One of the worst ship designs. Probert's original concept was much better. Would sell any models that happen to fall into my hands
D: Elegant, organic, curvy, I especially like the shape of the neck, and that mouth-like deflector. Have the PM, MM, EM models and treasure them.
E: I thought no new ship can be prettier than the D, but the E quickly took its spot. It looks both strong and elegant, both powerful and graceful. The secondary hull reminds me of a whale, my favorite type of animals, and I like the return to long nacelles (Voyager's were much too short). Have the AA/DST, Furuta, and EM models, and am in love with them.
F: Had to get used to it, found the pylons too thin compared to the rest, and I still don't like the Bussard assembly, but I do like the double necks, the even more whale-like secondary hull, the large deflector, and the spoon saucer shape. It combines the best elements from other designs. Want the EM model.
J: It looks as it's supposed to: way out there. I really like the flimsy pylons and nacelles, because it shows how advanced the ship's construction is. Far-future materials. And it's a real city in space that sparks the imagination wondering what could be inside. But I do prefer the Congo version with a secondary hull and traditional deflector. Had to get the EM model.
1701 (Kelvin): That first picture they released was really ugly. There are angles that make it look good, but the secondary hull was really odd. It extends too far forward under the neck, and becomes too thin too soon at the back end. The pylons shouldn't be curved inwards pushing the nacelles too close to each other, making it look bad from above or below. Nacelle size was never an issue for me, I just never liked the proportions of that secondary hull. I did get the PM model though
1701 (TOS): I actually found it flimsy and cheap at first, and thought if they ever make new shows set in that time, they should give it angled and thicker pylons, and more hull details
- then I appreciated it more and more as the classic that started it all and that all other shows are still based on. Had to get the AA/DST model!1701 (DIS,SNW): Accepting the TOS version as what the 1701 is supposed to be, as it was for 50+ years, this ship looks too advanced for the time it's set in. Works as an alternate timeline refit, like a Mirror or Kelvin design from the late 23rd century. Won't ever need a model of it.
1701 (TMP and -A): Perfect 23rd century design. Especially with the pearlescent hull! Got the MM and HW models.
B: I like the secondary hull additions, make it look stronger than the Excelsior, but it has too many impulse engines
Having the MM model is enough.C: One of the worst ship designs. Probert's original concept was much better. Would sell any models that happen to fall into my hands
D: Elegant, organic, curvy, I especially like the shape of the neck, and that mouth-like deflector. Have the PM, MM, EM models and treasure them.
E: I thought no new ship can be prettier than the D, but the E quickly took its spot. It looks both strong and elegant, both powerful and graceful. The secondary hull reminds me of a whale, my favorite type of animals, and I like the return to long nacelles (Voyager's were much too short). Have the AA/DST, Furuta, and EM models, and am in love with them.
F: Had to get used to it, found the pylons too thin compared to the rest, and I still don't like the Bussard assembly, but I do like the double necks, the even more whale-like secondary hull, the large deflector, and the spoon saucer shape. It combines the best elements from other designs. Want the EM model.
J: It looks as it's supposed to: way out there. I really like the flimsy pylons and nacelles, because it shows how advanced the ship's construction is. Far-future materials. And it's a real city in space that sparks the imagination wondering what could be inside. But I do prefer the Congo version with a secondary hull and traditional deflector. Had to get the EM model.
Indeed. It's a fantastic design, and one of the best of Trek and seeing the way it could connect in to DSC is a lot of fun to me.
God, I hope not. I’m sick of ships looking different from how we originally saw them. And the Kelvin design is completely fine; it doesn’t need to be changed. Of course I don’t work for Paramount, so I have no say in the matter.
I disagree because it adopts so many elements from the NX-01. Parts of it don't look advanced enough.
But I feel that works against one of the big points of TMP -- the Enterprise was refit to be the newest, baddest ship in the fleet. New designs, new warp technology, new phasers, etc... If there was a steady evolution of warp nacelle design between TOS and TMP, it's most likely they wouldn't have had the issues they encountered in TMP.
The in-between of TOS and TMP was TMP, in my book.
Also, you can't ignore what they did to the Klingon D7 in S1...
Sure I can.
I agree with this. But the problem is some fans like see that his/her opinion represent the whole community taste. That's why we see the word "failure" in their opinion regarding of some Star Trek plots, designs, etc.
Indeed. The language and rhetoric tends to take on a rather final appearance in text.
The concept for the design that ended up being Discovery's was intended for the Enterprise in Planet of the Titans. That alone places the design between TOS and TMP. Though I would've placed the design MUCH closer to TMP's timeframe, so the designs In-Universe would match how they unfolded in Real Life.
Which I still believe was a script error/mistake/oversight and that design was not actually intended to be a D7, because they had names for all the Klingon ships behind the scenes, and that one was not called a D7.
I think the writer just threw the name into the script as a TOS reference without considering that they didn’t actually have a D7.
I’m not sure how my theory precludes that. The refit still looks more advanced than the discovery ships.
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I haven't read every post up to this point, so forgive me if I duplicate. Admiral Horton over at Deviantart has done some fantastic high-res orthos of the Odyssey-class in all three modes. Not sure whose model it is but it's about STO quality detailing.
Odyssey-class Enterprise-F
Saucer Section
Stardrive Section
Preliminary visual inspection shows (if they keep the layout for the Picard version) 12 total phaser arrays (8 in the "docked" mode and an additional 4 on top of the "cobra head" in separated mode and 3 torpedo tubes (2 fore and 1 aft). The background material I've seen suggests the class is about 1061 meters long.
Odyssey-class Enterprise-F
Saucer Section
Stardrive Section
Preliminary visual inspection shows (if they keep the layout for the Picard version) 12 total phaser arrays (8 in the "docked" mode and an additional 4 on top of the "cobra head" in separated mode and 3 torpedo tubes (2 fore and 1 aft). The background material I've seen suggests the class is about 1061 meters long.
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So which bigger, the Enterprise F or Enterprise D or Enterprise E?
But they were models only "this big" - Galaxy Quest /s
The D is 642-ish meters long, the E is about 680, and the F is 1061 meters. Going by the quasi-official stats I've seen, the F has a crew about double that of the D.
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