The New Klingons

[KirkusOveractus]

If I remember correctly, the assassin is shown to have red blood, but since the reveal is cut, they don't call attention to it.

I think it shows Scotty shooting the assassin, he crashes through the glass to the floor below, and they show people gather around him. Then it cuts to the next bit of dialogue.

In the updated version, it continues from the people gathering around, Worf dipping his hand in the blood to obeserve it isn't Klingon blood, and the mask is taken off to reveal West.

 

[fireproof78]

Oh, that's good! I'd forgotten that. Though of course, Star Trek has depicted other hybrids as being conceived without medical intervention, such as Gul Dukat's two Bajoran/Cardassian hybrid children, Tora Ziyal and the unnamed infant he conceived with a Bajoran member of the Cult of the Pagh-wraiths. That... is a bit more problematical.

Doesn't "The Chase" help answer that question, though?

Also, as much as I appreciate the Klingon pronunciation, it's just "Pah-Wraiths"

I think it shows Scotty shooting the assassin, he crashes through the glass to the floor below, and they show people gather around him. Then it cuts to the next bit of dialogue.

In the updated version, it continues from the people gathering around, Worf dipping his hand in the blood to obeserve it isn't Klingon blood, and the mask is taken off to reveal West.

I've only seen this version, and prefer it greatly.

 

[UssGlenn]

Right, you can see a pool of dark blood behind his head in the theatrical version.

 

[Kor]

This is the dialog that indicates genetic manipulation in human-Klingon breeding, from TNG "The Emissary." (source: chakoteya.net)

TROI: I didn't know it was possible for a human and a Klingon to produce a child.
K'EHLEYR: Actually, the DNA is compatible, with a fair amount of help. Rather like my parents.

Kor

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Doesn't "The Chase" help answer that question, though?

Also, as much as I appreciate the Klingon pronunciation, it's just "Pah-Wraiths"

I've only seen this version, and prefer it greatly.

What's funny is that I remember the theatrical version the most, given that I saw it 13 times in the theatres!

(had a friend who worked part-time as an usher for AMC Theatres at that point; he and a friend could see movies for free! Got to the point where he'd call a manager and the manager said the tickets for TUC were already there for him!)

 

[UssGlenn]

This is the dialog that indicates genetic manipulation in human-Klingon breeding, from TNG "The Emissary." (source: chakoteya.net)

TROI: I didn't know it was possible for a human and a Klingon to produce a child.
K'EHLEYR: Actually, the DNA is compatible, with a fair amount of help. Rather like my parents.

They were doing good about showing interbreeding needing medical intervention until we got a half Klingon half Romulan girl in that prison camp. Then they did the same thing again with the Cardassians and Bajorans. Apparently if the parents want a child they need medical intervention, but If a child would be inconvenient for the characters, there is no problem.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

^ It's been a while since I've watch DS9, but didn't they say that Trill/Klingon would be difficult as well? Or did I read that from a book...

Either way, the shows inconsistently show that some inter-species breeding works and some are difficult. Samantha Wildman's pregnancy had complications that were 'common' to Ktarian/Human offspring with those horns slicing up her insides (although it's never explicitly stated that they don't require genetic manipulation).

 

[Prax]

And in Enterprise, they deal with humano vulcan compatibility issues a few times. I believe Phlox tells Trip or T'Pol that he could make it happen with the right manipulation.

There's also interbreeding in that time travel episode(e2) where the crew meet their descendants and Archer married a strange alien from the expanse. (This might be the episode where Phlox is said to have developed a way for Vulcans and Humans to mate.)

Likewise in the earlier version of this episode on DS9(Children of Time) where there's all sorts of interbreeding with Worf's descendants.

Did Alexander require genetic manipulation? He's 1/4 human.

What was difficult in the 22nd century was probably just a pill or hypospray that you take while trying to conceive.

"Trying to have an interspecies baby? You'll need to take some inaprovaline."

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

It is certainly the magic drug of the 24th century.

 

[Fateor]

Its like one line that is very easily retconned with zero impact on the race, Kahless or star trek as a whole.

Only if you ignore the context of the line.

IE it was the bit of historical information they used to identify Kahless.

Further they don't get to retcon information if they want the show to be canon.

 

[Psion]

Bajorans and Cardassians interbreeding? It must be the will of the Prophets.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Meanwhile cats and dogs that are actually from the same planet have yet to procreate.

 

[Fateor]

Bajorans and Cardassians interbreeding? It must be the will of the Prophets.

The Preservers not Prophets.

Meanwhile cats and dogs that are actually from the same planet have yet to procreate.

Cat's and Dog's weren't engineered to be genetically compatible, the races of the Milky Way galaxy were.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Only if you ignore the context of the line.

IE it was the bit of historical information they used to identify Kahless.

Further they don't get to retcon information if they want the show to be canon.

1: It is a minor line and easily could be changed with little effect. Bried blood or tiisue or some other item could be used with little to no impact

2: Yeah, canon is retconned all time time on trek. And its called retcon for a reason, retcons become canon.

 

[Psion]

The Preservers not Prophets.
Cat's and Dog's weren't engineered to be genetically compatible, the races of the Milky Way galaxy were.

I note the smiley, but I'm going to double-down on the autistic scale and remind you that the Preservers weren't the same Ancient Humanoid group who seeded the Milky Way 4.5 billion years ago. The Preservers were much more recent, and possibly even contemporaneous with the UFP. They might have been the group responsible for Gary Seven, for example. We know of their direct reference in "The Paradise Syndrom" only, but could infer their involvement in other episodes such as "Miri".

In the case of Bajor, I'm more prone to point at the Prophets (or possibly even the Pah Wraiths). We know they manipulated Sisko's timeline to accomplish their goals. So I submit that they probably had the ability to intervene in Tora Naprem and Gul Dukat's affair (and possibly even caused it in the first place) as an effort to either teach him compassion for the Bajoran people or to send him down the path of becoming a vessel for the Pah Wraiths in their ultimate confrontation with the Emissary.

 

[Fateor]

1: It is a minor line and easily could be changed with little effect. Bried blood or tiisue or some other item could be used with little to no impact

2: Yeah, canon is retconned all time time on trek. And its called retcon for a reason, retcons become canon.

Sorry but you aren't allowed to do that, and any attempt to do so will get called out for the lie it is.

I note the smiley, but I'm going to double-down on the autistic scale and remind you that the Preservers weren't the same Ancient Humanoid group who seeded the Milky Way 4.5 billion years ago. The Preservers were much more recent, and possibly even contemporaneous with the UFP. They might have been the group responsible for Gary Seven, for example. We know of their direct reference in "The Paradise Syndrom" only, but could infer their involvement in other episodes such as "Miri".

In the case of Bajor, I'm more prone to point at the Prophets (or possibly even the Pah Wraiths). We know they manipulated Sisko's timeline to accomplish their goals. So I submit that they probably had the ability to intervene in Tora Naprem and Gul Dukat's affair (and possibly even caused it in the first place) as an effort to either teach him compassion for the Bajoran people or to send him down the path of becoming a vessel for the Pah Wraiths in their ultimate confrontation with the Emissary.

Actually Ron Moore stated they were the Preservers.

 

[Mudd]

The Star Trek explanation for genetic compatibility of species from different planets is complete bullshit and has nothing to do with either science or logic.

"DNA" is a magic word.

 

[Psion]

...
Actually Ron Moore stated they were the Preservers.

No, according to Memory Alpha: "Ronald D. Moore has stated that he'd considered, but intentionally did not specify, that the ancient humanoids seen in TNG: "The Chase" were in fact the Preservers."

 

[Hatter76]

something like this would be good for an updated Standard Klingon

 

[Psion]

something like this would be good for an updated Standard Klingon

I want that hoodie.