So true, I ponder the massive backlash over Klingon changes in TMP if the internet had been like it is today.
The New Klingons
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So true, I ponder the massive backlash over Klingon changes in TMP if the internet had been like it is today.
Same as today's.
"Klingons do not have sharp teeth or ridges on their skull!"
"Roddenberry has no respect for TOS!"
"I am boycotting this film. Paramount will not get a dime of my money!"
Fans fretting about other fans can get just as bad. We're all human, and all share some of the same tendencies.
Just look through these discovery threads. There's whole lot of posters constantly on the defensive, even when no one is attacking. There's a lot of mocking and shaming going on too.
Just look through these discovery threads. There's whole lot of posters constantly on the defensive, even when no one is attacking. There's a lot of mocking and shaming going on too.
I know that happened, but it was all by letter back then. I hear some old trekkies talk of it still.
Even more evidence then, especially as that wasn't helped by any kind of medical intervention and was an accident, that humans and Klingons are the same species. And yet have been established clearly not to be in dialogue (redundant organs, different blood, different anatomy, etc etc). Trek = ruined forever.
Calling Kahless IE thee most important figure in Klingon history trivial...
Wow, I think you might just be on the wrong forum.
Its like one line that is very easily retconned with zero impact on the race, Kahless or star trek as a whole.
You know some people just need to....
Even if all Klingons are now blad, who says that Kahless must have been bald or that any of Klingons were bald in his day? It's not like....viruses and stuff haven't affected Klingon appearance before, resulting in significant differences in just a few short generations.
Like it or not, Star Trek has, since Season One of TOS, been based in part on the idea that different species that evolve on different worlds can reproduce. This is partially because Star Trek has often used "species" as a fantastical stand-in for ethnicity or racial group. (More than a few academic articles have been written arguing that Star Trek is in fact racist for doing so.)
Oh I'm fine with the interbreeding thing on Trek, to be honest - half this, half that characters have proven interesting in the past. But it is a contradictory aspect of Trek lore which renders discussions about hair rather moot imho.
I hadn't really considered it as an ethnicity allegory before; something to think about.
Personally, I hope future Star Trek productions stop featuring hybrid characters and retcon characters like Spock and K'Ehleyr as the product of extensive genetic tinkering in advance of conception. I like the direction they appear to be going in with Burnham -- she's not literally half-Vulcan, but she's apparently torn between Human and Vulcan cultures as a result of being raised there.
Fair point!
I think it's because of her being recognised by the religious Klingons, and the whole KuvaMagh thing. I personally think these are gonna be body mod Aztec Egyptian Klingons, as opposed to the ones we have seen previously. Most of it will involve me shaking my head and invoking Neville Pages name like he messed up his home work. It's a hobby I have now. 'Eyes where? Oh Neville....super smooth skin cos you love your zbrush? Oh Neville....symmetry settings on? Oh Neville....two hours pouncing around in your laptop while the other dude actually did the work with some clay? Oh Neville....there are colours other than pale white and blue Neville....' stuff like that. He's likeable, but his sense of aesthetics are simply not as developed as Michael Westmore, and he basically stuck lumps of dinosaur in everything by the end.
He out Kirked, kirk. When you add in the non canon novels, the man got the freak around. I am not sure how many species he banged, but I think most the federation ones for sure.
Between him and Troi you're not wrong. (I will not have the traditional Kirk wasn't a womaniser statement here.) I think Neelix and Tom Paris are the only other serious contenders. Though Janeway was in the runnnh for a while. Tuvok of course gets bonus points for the 'almost, Lori Petty' .
Tom maybe, but he was in lock up for a while, I think he may have run though most of the lower deck though. Ya know people had to be hooking up like Made on VOY
Except for Harry. Not counting poor old off screen living dead girl, which would have been nice to see. An actress was so good at her job, we could believe Harry could get some. Also...the Holodecks were an absolute biohazard mess when they turned them off at last. Starfleet Medical had to write essay after essay.
Ah eighties/nineties Trek...scratch Beyond the surface, and DSC is gonna have a lot to live up to to be as 'progressive'.
And surprised no one has mentioned how much the new Klingons bear a passing resemblance to the grumpy sods in Renegades.
Oh, that's good! I'd forgotten that. Though of course, Star Trek has depicted other hybrids as being conceived without medical intervention, such as Gul Dukat's two Bajoran/Cardassian hybrid children, Tora Ziyal and the unnamed infant he conceived with a Bajoran member of the Cult of the Pagh-wraiths. That... is a bit more problematical.
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