The New Enterprise Reveald
- Thread starter Jefferies
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Oh it's horrid!
That makes a huge difference although I still don't like aspects of it. It also needs some colour. The fact that they're mimicking the TMP refit saucer also hurts I think. It's as if they began with the refit than aborted it to go in another direction. Maybe if the saucer were more distinctive and better integrated with the rest of the look. It still wouldn't be the TOS E by a long shot, but at least it would have more aesthetic integrity.Moved the whole secondary hull back and that's about it. This feels more balanced to me.
In one small respect I applaud what they're doing because it definitively cuts this loose from any connection whatsoever with TOS. This is its own thing.
Re: The New Enterprise Revealed
The only POSSIBLE "out" is that this is the "alternative timeline" version of the Enterprise, and that when the timeline gets set back, we'll end up with the ship we remember.
But that's seeming less and less likely all the time.
Wish I could say it's just a joke, but it's an officially-released image.
The only POSSIBLE "out" is that this is the "alternative timeline" version of the Enterprise, and that when the timeline gets set back, we'll end up with the ship we remember.
But that's seeming less and less likely all the time.
My 2 cent on new Enterprise is that it is hard to judge on one photo. My first impression is that it has TOS and TMP influences. I need more pictures on thickness of the neck. If seems to have smilier neck design as Enterprise-C(i hope). That is a good because both TOS and TMP neck are thin and fragile. Overall new Enterprise is better then TOS Enterprise.
However after viewing this only photo for new Enterprise, i do have some issues with it. 1. Engineering section need to push back(a little) 2. Saucer section lowered by one level. 3. Pylons wider when it connects to the nacelles. 4. Nacelles caps smaller.
I include image of two ships.
1. The top ship is a fan drawing of the new Enterprise.
2. The middle ship is my alterations.
^^ I think you've got the essence of it there. I get the feeling they wanted something edgier which rather changes the character of the ship. The TOS E had a measure of grace and majesty to it, reinforced greatly by how it was photographed and how the characters referred to it. I think the new design is supposed to have something of a bad-ass look to it...I suppose.
That original sketch is is mine guys. Its just based off that single view we got. Its inaccurate to the actual design. Here is a revised one I did based off the official side view we got from hobbytalk:
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newenterprise2bda2.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newenterprise2bda2.jpg
Superman
Fleet Captain
Where to start? I really dislike this ship's crazy proportions. The saucer is huge now. The lower hull extends too far forward in front, and tapers too sharply in back. It makes the original and TMP hull look far more usable, and makes the attachment of the pylons to the hull look even less practical. The nacelles look overly stylized, but cool.
What's funny to me is that Abrams was paranoid about the fact that Galaxy Quest essentially has already parodied his film, yet he made the Enterprise look more like the Galaxy Quest ship than it ever did.
It's as if the 1701-D raped the 1701 from TMP and this was their child. Just odd looking. Matt Jeffries is probably rolling in his grave.
Change for the sake of change (like Obama). Pointless.
Agreed!
Especially with the Obama comment.
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That original sketch is is mine guys. Its just based off that single view we got. Its inaccurate to the actual design. Here is a revised one I did based off the official side view we got from hobbytalk:
Hi Tom...
that's still inaccurate, though... you need to look more closely at the relative sizes of the components. You're trying to match the proportions of the TOS ship, but it's pretty obvious (even allowing for some "fish-eye-lens" effect) that the saucer is oversized and the secondary hull is undersized, relative to the original shapes. Take what you've done and increase the saucer size (to roughly 130%) and you'll be closer to what's in the image (assuming quite a bit of "fish-eye" effect... if you assume less, it's more like 150%).
Progress means travelling down the RIGHT path... sometimes the most progressive man is the one who turns around soonest. If you've done a sum wrong, it's not progressive to keep working the problem as though you've done it right.Where to start? I really dislike this ship's crazy proportions. The saucer is huge now. The lower hull extends too far forward in front, and tapers too sharply in back. It makes the original and TMP hull look far more usable, and makes the attachment of the pylons to the hull look even less practical. The nacelles look overly stylized, but cool.
What's funny to me is that Abrams was paranoid about the fact that Galaxy Quest essentially has already parodied his film, yet he made the Enterprise look more like the Galaxy Quest ship than it ever did.
It's as if the 1701-D raped the 1701 from TMP and this was their child. Just odd looking. Matt Jeffries is probably rolling in his grave.
Change for the sake of change (like Obama
Agreed!
Especially with the Obama comment.
\S/
Everybody wants change. The question is always "what sort of change?"
As often as not, the change is for the worse.
That original sketch is is mine guys. Its just based off that single view we got. Its inaccurate to the actual design. Here is a revised one I did based off the official side view we got from hobbytalk:
Hi Tom...
that's still inaccurate, though... you need to look more closely at the relative sizes of the components. You're trying to match the proportions of the TOS ship, but it's pretty obvious (even allowing for some "fish-eye-lens" effect) that the saucer is oversized and the secondary hull is undersized, relative to the original shapes. Take what you've done and increase the saucer size (to roughly 130%) and you'll be closer to what's in the image (assuming quite a bit of "fish-eye" effect... if you assume less, it's more like 150%).
They must have changed the design the compared to the orthos. Because someone on hobby talk had some orthographics of the ship, that he had received, and he posted a side profile that erased any of the detail of the model, but left the shape intact, and that drawing is traced directly off that profile image.
I have to agree, I'm getting exactly the same impression from it. I'd like to hope we're both wrong, but... feh.
There are too many elements of this "new" ship that are ripped off from TMP (i.e. saucer, photorp launcher), and too many elements that seem to be just glued on for the sake of trying to be different, with no real thought about why.
The nacelles are no more modern looking then TMP's. They, in fact look dated with what looks like WWI era fighter plane air intakes! So why the change?
The hull looks like TMP's & original series' hull, deconstructed, then put back together incorrectly. So why the change?
The main deflector, though changed to a pointless blue, is okay. When powered down, it should go copper.
As a whole new class, I would be more accepting of this ship. As the Enterprise, there was no point in really changing it from either (a more detailed original) or from a refit version. They can't claim change for the sake of making it more contemporary, because they completely failed in that. TMP's Enterprise beat them to it. They can't claim that it's an homage, because they changed too much.
They simply changed it in order to make it their own ship. Though they failed in that too.
That being said- I'm still going to watch it (during the day when it's half price). And hopefully, it will be compelling and entertaining to most people who watch it. But from the spoiler plot descriptions, so far, this does not sound like something that will revitalize the franchise and bring in the general public. I'm sensing a cloverfield response. Okay at first. Then kinda just fades away. Followed by one shelf at blockbuster when released. One copy on the shelf now. And the rest on sale for $6 in the bin...
The fans will be the big buyers- and that won't be enough.
The nacelles are no more modern looking then TMP's. They, in fact look dated with what looks like WWI era fighter plane air intakes! So why the change?
The hull looks like TMP's & original series' hull, deconstructed, then put back together incorrectly. So why the change?
The main deflector, though changed to a pointless blue, is okay. When powered down, it should go copper.
As a whole new class, I would be more accepting of this ship. As the Enterprise, there was no point in really changing it from either (a more detailed original) or from a refit version. They can't claim change for the sake of making it more contemporary, because they completely failed in that. TMP's Enterprise beat them to it. They can't claim that it's an homage, because they changed too much.
They simply changed it in order to make it their own ship. Though they failed in that too.
That being said- I'm still going to watch it (during the day when it's half price). And hopefully, it will be compelling and entertaining to most people who watch it. But from the spoiler plot descriptions, so far, this does not sound like something that will revitalize the franchise and bring in the general public. I'm sensing a cloverfield response. Okay at first. Then kinda just fades away. Followed by one shelf at blockbuster when released. One copy on the shelf now. And the rest on sale for $6 in the bin...
The fans will be the big buyers- and that won't be enough.
I'm only surprised that our local artist community hasn't already extrapolated a full CG model of the new E and given us some orthos and alternate angles that make it look less like a jumping dog.
Mark
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=73529
Okay, I would have weighed in on this sooner but I’ve been sick as a dog for the better part of a week and I wanted some time to digest the new Enterprise and decide what I actually thought of it without succumbing to knee-jerk reactions.
First impression: Someone made a Bugs Bunny Road Runner sketch of the TOS Enterprise, made a wax sculpture of it and then left it too close to the heater vent. The proportions are whacked, especially the angle of the nacelle struts and the way the deflector region juts so far out in front. Certain features actually do look slightly melted, like someone was going for an organic flow but got a little sloppy with the flow part. Some obvious nods to the TMP refit. I figured right away that the nacelle domes were glass (or transparent aluminum or whatever), not chrome, and that we were simply seeing them unlit. I couldn’t help feeling disappointed that they had decided to alter the original design so drastically.
Second impression: Looks like the ship shown in the teaser trailer was pretty accurate after all. We can’t see the top of the primary hull but the bottom looks just about identical. Ditto the warp nacelles, allowing for the addition of the clear domes. I also remember commenting about the oddly upright angle of what appeared to be a nacelle strut in the teaser trailer, the one with the welder perched atop a scaffolding tower with the saucer in the background. That, too, seems to match with this new image and the struts that form a much narrower ‘V’.
Third impression: After looking at it for a couple of days, I have to admit it’s growing on me. I still get a heavily stylized, almost cartoon-esque vibe from it, mostly from the exaggerated shapes and proportions. It reminds me of the portraits you can have drawn of yourself by street artists where your head is huge in proportion to your body and your most prominent features are exaggerated to comic degrees. And yet, the longer I stare at it, the less distorted it seems and the more intrigued I am by the thinking that must have gone into the design. Would I ever have done it this way myself? Probably not. Question is, who’s boundaries does that say more about, mine or theirs? Regardless of what I think of it as the TOS Enterprise, I have to admire the audacity of the design.
So what do I think of it as the TOS Enterprise? Short answer: I can live with it. I long ago accepted the fact that this movie was not going to look exactly like the TV show from the ‘60s, not that I ever really wanted it to. I was always in favor of a certain degree of updating, whether or not it was rationalized by alternate timelines and such. Beyond that, I’m simply not a hardcore purist. Sticking closer to the TOS aesthetic would have brought a certain… validation to some elements that I consider classic and timeless, but Star Trek was always about so much more than sets and costumes and ship designs.
I’m off to see Quantum of Solace in about an hour. Assuming my local theater is not so stupid as to forego the Trek trailer, I should have at least another glimpse or two of the new Enterprise from different angles and be able to form a better judgement.
First impression: Someone made a Bugs Bunny Road Runner sketch of the TOS Enterprise, made a wax sculpture of it and then left it too close to the heater vent. The proportions are whacked, especially the angle of the nacelle struts and the way the deflector region juts so far out in front. Certain features actually do look slightly melted, like someone was going for an organic flow but got a little sloppy with the flow part. Some obvious nods to the TMP refit. I figured right away that the nacelle domes were glass (or transparent aluminum or whatever), not chrome, and that we were simply seeing them unlit. I couldn’t help feeling disappointed that they had decided to alter the original design so drastically.
Second impression: Looks like the ship shown in the teaser trailer was pretty accurate after all. We can’t see the top of the primary hull but the bottom looks just about identical. Ditto the warp nacelles, allowing for the addition of the clear domes. I also remember commenting about the oddly upright angle of what appeared to be a nacelle strut in the teaser trailer, the one with the welder perched atop a scaffolding tower with the saucer in the background. That, too, seems to match with this new image and the struts that form a much narrower ‘V’.
Third impression: After looking at it for a couple of days, I have to admit it’s growing on me. I still get a heavily stylized, almost cartoon-esque vibe from it, mostly from the exaggerated shapes and proportions. It reminds me of the portraits you can have drawn of yourself by street artists where your head is huge in proportion to your body and your most prominent features are exaggerated to comic degrees. And yet, the longer I stare at it, the less distorted it seems and the more intrigued I am by the thinking that must have gone into the design. Would I ever have done it this way myself? Probably not. Question is, who’s boundaries does that say more about, mine or theirs? Regardless of what I think of it as the TOS Enterprise, I have to admire the audacity of the design.
So what do I think of it as the TOS Enterprise? Short answer: I can live with it. I long ago accepted the fact that this movie was not going to look exactly like the TV show from the ‘60s, not that I ever really wanted it to. I was always in favor of a certain degree of updating, whether or not it was rationalized by alternate timelines and such. Beyond that, I’m simply not a hardcore purist. Sticking closer to the TOS aesthetic would have brought a certain… validation to some elements that I consider classic and timeless, but Star Trek was always about so much more than sets and costumes and ship designs.
I’m off to see Quantum of Solace in about an hour. Assuming my local theater is not so stupid as to forego the Trek trailer, I should have at least another glimpse or two of the new Enterprise from different angles and be able to form a better judgement.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
I agree..looks like they shrunk it so it would fit the square screen of an old TV....
Rob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8B1GNCSfX0
HAHAHAHA!!!! Pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter.
HAHAHAHA!!!! Pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter.
That's hilarious.
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