Spoilers The NCC-82893 Thread

[Tuskin38]

And the 23rd. 32nd was more of a turbolift cavern Willy Wonka glass elevator and 23rd the Willy Wonka chocolate tubes.

Only in one section of the ship. Most of the ship had the regular tubes.

 

[Vale]

Nowhere near the warp core. TWOK shows a hit on the secondary hull followed by carnage in engineering in the same spot the core has been on every 2 section ship

The intent with the refit Enterprise was that the warp core powered both the warp drive nacelles and the impulse engines. Probert's original concept artwork for both the ship and TMP's sets shows this, and the refit Enterprise model has a vertical grey stripe on the neck showing where it had additional hull armour to protect the core. The glowing dome on top of the saucer by the impulse engines was supposed to be the top of the warp core.

 

[F. King Daniel]

More stuff. The ship has two warp cores. And it's not a backup, they're used at the same time.

https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1501583737250725890
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1501589333031022594
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1501589327549136898

Oh no, it's that godawful Nemesis deleted scene where Wesley is spooging over warp cores again

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I wonder if episodes will blatantly contradict the two warp cores thing exactly as they did with Voyager

 

[Vale]

I wonder if episodes will blatantly contradict the two warp cores thing exactly as they did with Voyager

To be fair they never explicitly denied that Voyager had two warp cores. They just seemed to... forget. They also forgot Voyager had two deflector dishes as well. And built the Delta Flyer because they forgot about the aeroshuttle.

Someone should have done some research into the effect the Caretaker's displacement wave had on humanoid memory function.

 

[Markonian]

On the second one, #58 Primary Intermix Chamber is straight down from that blue dome and connected by the Plasma Transfer Conduit (off of which the Primary Plasma Transfer Conduit goes to the warp nacelles).

I missed this kinda talk being prompted by Trek.
I hope the eventual Eaglemoss mag on the Stargazer/Sagan-class can incorporate all the background material.

 

[Amasov]

Since we have a large number of new registries and the dialogue in the episode is hilariously ambiguous with a lot of room for plausible deniability, I have the following head canons:

Lettered ships other than the Enterprise (probably) exist and we just never see them in earlier centuries.

Same Registry# + Letter = Ship named after a specific USS X, to honor a specific mission/event/crew. All lettered Enterprises would be named after the original 1701.
New Registry# = Next ship to be named USS X. Continuing the line but not specifically honoring, same name but not named after. The NCC-82893 is not actually a special registry number other than it references the Constellation Class Stargazer without actually being named after it. Someone at command saw the name Stargazer and okay'd the request to give it that specific registry number because it fits and would be fun.

"Refit" = umbrella term that people use to mean several things (think 'pudding' or 'reboot').
1. Can be defined as an individual ship being refit (either extensively, basically a new build like the 1701, or as just standard maintenance/upgrades without cosmetic differences)
2. Can be an upgrade to the entire class that is adapted to future production models (Excelsior Refit, Constitution Refit, etc. Same class, new look) so it can be a brand new ship, but the design is the 'new' version of the legacy class (the Lakota, Enterprise-B, etc.)
3. Can be a brand new class based on an old class (this assumes that the new Stargazer is in fact a NEW Stargazer and not a direct refit of the 2893). I'm thinking the Sagan Class, Excelsior II, Ross class, etc. New classes, but based on old designs, so a 'refit' of an old class. This is stretching the traditional meaning of refit as far as previous Star Trek goes, but I try to redefine as Star Trek chooses to redefines itself. Picard seems to lean into this given the dialogue to me.

This allows for the Olympic Class to be loosely referred to as a Daedalus Refit, at least offhandedly.

Letter suffixes in earlier centuries of Starfleet are given to newly commissioned vessels, given that the name is only given once the previous ship is gone. Over time, this tradition changes.
Letter suffixes in way future centuries of Starfleet can also be used for extensive refits and not necessarily a completely new build or new commission. This shift in culture probably happens around the time that building a completely new ship and completely refitting an old one cost about the same amount of resources thanks to future technology.

So in the case of Voyager-J, the Intrepid Class. I generally believe that it truly is an Intrepid class, but a refit of the design. The Intrepid Class continued to be upgraded and refit for 900 years, but the Voyager-J would be a new build. I wouldn't be surprised if there are Excelsior and Miranda class ships out there still, albeit quite different looking by now (then?).

I've basically concluded that this is an element of Star Trek that has no real logic to it and is too far gone through 50+ years of canon for someone to come up with a blanket explanation that will speak to every example we've seen.

 

[NCC-73515]

Thanks for sharing, Fantastic!

Now that I see that lateral view, I would've preferred mirrored nacelles (bottom ones upside down)

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Oh no, it's that godawful Nemesis deleted scene where Wesley is spooging over warp cores again

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I wonder if episodes will blatantly contradict the two warp cores thing exactly as they did with Voyager

The officer talking to the girls looks like Lorca

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

Is anyone else bothered by the fact that Picard, a visiting admiral, was able to initiate an auto destruct sequence without any second command code authorization from another officer? The whole point of having multiple officers involved in starting a self destruct was to make sure some lunatic didn't just unilaterally decide to blow up the damn ship.

 

[Mondragon]

Is anyone else bothered by the fact that Picard, a visiting admiral, was able to initiate an auto destruct sequence without any second command code authorization from another officer? The whole point of having multiple officers involved in starting a self destruct was to make sure some lunatic didn't just unilaterally decide to blow up the damn ship.

Yes that bothered me too.


If Kirk had been on board he would have knocked Picard out before he reached the last number and said sorry - "I Don't Believe in the No-Win Scenario"
Having already had Spock preventivelly infect any takeover of the computer with a virus, before she even beamed on board, which is exactly what Kirk wanted her to do, and revealed was his plan along.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

decide to blow up the damn ship.

At least Picard learned from his mistakes.
Somewhere up in future heaven Lily is smiling.

 

[fireproof78]

Is anyone else bothered by the fact that Picard, a visiting admiral, was able to initiate an auto destruct sequence without any second command code authorization from another officer? The whole point of having multiple officers involved in starting a self destruct was to make sure some lunatic didn't just unilaterally decide to blow up the damn ship.

Janeway could.

 

[El Maestro]

Is anyone else bothered by the fact that Picard, a visiting admiral, was able to initiate an auto destruct sequence without any second command code authorization from another officer? The whole point of having multiple officers involved in starting a self destruct was to make sure some lunatic didn't just unilaterally decide to blow up the damn ship.

Maybe there's some kind of structure in place where if it's Red Alert any failsafes are dropped so as to blow up the damn ship as quickly as possible (and maybe there's more than one kind of red alert to distinguish a situation like this from others). As for why JLP and not Rios.........I got nothin'

 

[Tuskin38]

Didn’t Janeway set the self destruct once with no input from Chakotay or any others?

 

[fireproof78]

Didn’t Janeway set the self destruct once with no input from Chakotay or any others?

Several times.

After she became an admiral it was now policy.

 

[AdmiralBuck]

Looks great.

Thanks!

 

[Gepard]

3D printed observation room model, from the VFX asset. This design is really growing on me the more I see of it, especially in physical form. (I think the matte color of the grey print actually looks better than metallic/specular.)

https://twitter.com/CworthDynamics/status/1501395179214807050

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

3D printed observation room model, from the VFX asset. This design is really growing on me the more I see of it, especially in physical form. (I think the matte color of the grey print actually looks better than metallic/specular.)

https://twitter.com/CworthDynamics/status/1501395179214807050

I've always wondered tho, how TH do you chrome/gold plate plastic? I've wondered since the 3 piece AMT Enterprise kit.

 

[Gepard]

I've always wondered tho, how TH do you chrome/gold plate plastic? I've wondered since the 3 piece AMT Enterprise kit.

It's probably vac metal with a candy clearcoat, basically aluminum evaporated in a vacuum and drawn to the plastic surface by a static charge.

Otherwise, a copper painted undercoat with an electroplated gold or other metal on top, but it's probably vac metal because that's easier and cheaper.

 

[Vale]

Didn’t Janeway set the self destruct once with no input from Chakotay or any others?

To be fair every time self-destruct is used it seems to behave differently. Janeway did it multiple times and it only required her sole authorisation; yet we see in TNG that the captain and first officer are required to agree. I'm also still baffled, for example, as to why Kira had authorisation to co-trigger self-destruct on the Defiant over people like O'Brien, Eddington, or even Bashir, when she wasn't even a Starfleet officer and had no official position on that ship.