Segel and Stoller's Forgetting Sarah Marshall included a puppet musical. So it's clear that puppetry is close to their hearts, and that they were influenced by the Muppets.
The Muppets (2011)
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Segel and Stoller's Forgetting Sarah Marshall included a puppet musical. So it's clear that puppetry is close to their hearts, and that they were influenced by the Muppets.
No; you specified "the big screen," so I limited my listing to theatrical films. There have been several Muppet productions for television (and direct-to-DVD) in more recent years, several of which I've mentioned already in this thread.
God, I hope not. That's another kind of modern movie "humor" that isn't funny at all, the lazy reliance on pop-culture references and merely calling out the familiar as a substitute for telling jokes. The Selzer-Freidberg formula. The Muppets have done their share of parodies, but with more freshness and originality than that.
Don't put words in my mouth, please. I never said anything about "no redeeming value." What I recall from reading reviews of one or two of those movies (and why did you even mention The Hangover, when I was specifically referring movies written by the screenwriters of this film?) is that, yes, they did have heart and warmth, but also had a substantial amount of the "raunchy" and body-fluid-related humor that's currently fashionable. And that's not something I want to see AT ALL. I don't care if a movie has a lot of heartwarming stuff if it goes and ruins it by tossing in grossout "humor" as well. I'm not saying they aren't good movies -- I've heard that people think well of them, and I'm not so arrogant as to think my personal opinions represent objective truth. I'm just saying that that kind of humor is something I personally do not enjoy and would prefer to avoid. And even if a movie has other content I would enjoy by itself, I can't enjoy the movie as a whole if it includes that kind of stuff.
You're really overreacting. I'm not some idiot geek reflexively saying "It's not what I'm used to, therefore I'm positive it's going to suck." I'm merely acknowledging that there are grounds for concern. I've already said that I'm hopeful it will turn out well, and I'm simply pointing out certain questions that remain unresolved. Note: UNRESOLVED. I'm not making any assumptions here, merely asking questions.
It has to do with the fact that the people who made the Muppets what they were are gone. Anything new is bound to be different. Maybe it will be different in a good way, but maybe it won't. I've seen some post-Henson/Juhl Muppet productions that were reasonably good, though different, and some that were weak and disappointing. Again, I'm not saying I'm assuming it will be bad, I'm just saying there's uncertainty about something new. So please stop overreacting.
Yes, obviously, which is why I put it in parentheses.
Ahh, I see. Well, nevermind me then. I clearly wasn't in the right demographic to know about it
I'm aware of the other ones, but never saw them.
The aftermath appears to have been from the expensive-looking explosion that Fozzie is surprised they had in the budget in the first trailer.
I would never presume to put words in the mouths of others. I was merely using generalities to adjust any inaccurate views you might have had about the other films.
And, yes, I did refer to The Hangover as I felt relevant given it was the movie that got the thread started in this direction when you and others postulating on what sort of crossover audience the two films might have.
You need not to take things so personally.
Nor did I imply you were an "idiot geek", so please don't put words in my mouth. I was just surprised at your comments as I've seen you in other, past threads not go down that route before.
And you need not take things so personally. Your comment seemed out of place and somewhat of a red-herring in your overall post, so I wasn't sure what you were going for, if anything at all.
Which is also why I said (which you noticeably cut out of the quote) that is was probably just splitting hairs.
Here's one, where it overlaps. I love The Hangover and I love the Muppets, one doesn't exclude the other. I like "raunchy and crass" (seriously?)... adult comedy as much as the "tame" variant... actually I don't know anyone who doesn't like both.
You do now. I honestly can't stand crude and crass comedy. It's not something I enjoy.
Curious... as I'm pretty sure the Muppets have been promoted in exactly this way before. I'm pretty sure that when "The Muppets Take Manhattan" was being promoted, that at least part of the campaign involved parodies of other anticipated films that were coming out that year. I distinctly remember at least still images of the Muppets parodying "The Karate Kid", "Ghostbusters", and even "Amadeus".
Ditto.
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Same. When I was much younger, it was fun, but not anymore.
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Amy Adams 
This looks like it will be a fun movie.
This looks like it will be a fun movie.
Well ok, now I know two.
Still, there are people who enjoy both. And you don't really expect overtly crass comedy from a Muppets movie, the Muppets always where more on the adult spectrum of family-entertainment with things that went over the heads of kids but never in that way. I don't expect anything else here. The Trailer is a parody, nothing more, nothing less, and the people behind the movie seem to really love the old-school Muppets... I think (well, hope) this might bring them back to former glory.
Well, as I said right there, the Muppets have done parody. My concern is that too much film comedy today relies exclusively on flimsy parody -- or merely on referencing something familiar and having that be the whole "joke." I wasn't so much reacting to the idea of doing parody at all as to your hypothetical of the whole campaign being parodies of one current film after another after another. It's taking it to excess, using it to the exclusion of more creative forms of humor, that I would have a problem with.
Three, since I was the one who complained about it in the first place.
Again, I never once drew any connection between the trailer and my fears of crassness or potty humor. It was the past credits of the writers of the film itself that made me wonder about that. My reaction to the trailer was simply finding its direction and music to be unappealing and incongruous, and wishing they'd drawn on real quotes praising the Muppets rather than making up fake quotes.
^In a vacuum, sure, it's a valid joke. But as I already explained (why doesn't anyone listen to me?), I think that if the goal is to reintroduce the Muppets to a new, potentially skeptical generation of viewers, real quotes would've done that more effectively. It would've demonstrated that there's a lot of love and respect for these characters, that they don't need to have praise made up for them.
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Fake quotes have been a staple for years. There's no need to use real quotes when fake ones make the point. Plus, the Muppets are only doing what most movie advertisement campaigns, do, the difference is that the filmmakers don't pay the guys who made up the quotes, and the Muppets are honest about it.
Count in another who doesn't care for crassness as a comedic device. I don't know anything about 'The Hangover' or any other films being referenced here as being parodied in the trailer, but the trailer looked fun. I love muppet zaniness and I am hoping this will deliver.
Fake quotes have been a staple for years. There's no need to use real quotes when fake ones make the point. Plus, the Muppets are only doing what most movie advertisement campaigns, do, the difference is that the filmmakers don't pay the guys who made up the quotes, and the Muppets are honest about it.
Exactly!
Besides, who doesn't know the Muppets either by past projects or by reputation? They don't need real quotes to prove their worth.
Indeed they don't. A parody of a trailer shouldn't be a reflection of the actual project. It was meant as a joke and worked as such. Broccoli already indicted in a previous post that Jason Segal has a great affection for these characters.