The Most Disliked Episode of TOS, 2023 Edition - Finals...

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Frostscape One, Sep 17, 2023.

  1. Vger23

    Vger23 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Alternative Factor again, same reasons.

    "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" - 1
    "WOLF IN THE FOLD" - 2
    "THE DEADLY YEARS" - 1
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 0

    I’m also glad Zetar got saved. I always liked that one. Creepy, weird, and kind of scary.
     
  2. BlueStuff

    BlueStuff Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I like that Wolf in the Fold featured the pipsqueak juror from 12 Angry Men.

    "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" - 1
    "WOLF IN THE FOLD" - 3
    "THE DEADLY YEARS" - 1
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 0
     
  3. Frostscape One

    Frostscape One Vice Admiral Admiral

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    All really bad ones, but at least "THE DEADLY YEARS" didn't paint Scotty in a bad way, and I just can't vote for the others quite yet, so it gets my vote this round.


    "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" - 1
    "WOLF IN THE FOLD" - 3
    "THE DEADLY YEARS" - 2
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 0
     
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  4. smalltabby

    smalltabby Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I really didn't find And the Children Shall Lead all that bad! Even though the space ghost premise is silly, I like seeing the crew interacting with children. And Kirk's breakdown in the lift with Spock to steady him is sweet.

    "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" - 1
    "WOLF IN THE FOLD" - 3
    "THE DEADLY YEARS" - 2
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 1
     
  5. Snowflake

    Snowflake Rear Admiral Premium Member

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    As some of you know, I'm one the few fans of "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR". Though the body switching is wanky, I think that was its intention, to confuse not only Kirk, Spock and McCoy, but the audience as well. This way you can't simply call our heroes stupid. Robert Brown's booming performance carried this episode. But, his spaceship was lame.

    "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" - 2
    "WOLF IN THE FOLD" - 3
    "THE DEADLY YEARS" - 2
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 1
     
  6. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    The Deadly Years has a fine, vintage Chekov scream in the teaser. There's a slow build to the disease process that simmers in the background at first. Shatner and Kelley get to chew the scenery as old-fogey versions of their characters. Kirk and Spock have a tortured heart to heart talk in Kirk's quarters, where you can see their friendship through the anger. There's a Romulan battle scene (yeah I know, but it was stock footage worth seeing again).

    It's a very decent episode for Star Trek, meaning excellent compared to TV of the period.

    "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" - 2
    "WOLF IN THE FOLD" - 3
    "THE DEADLY YEARS" - 3
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 1
     
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  7. CitadelZombies

    CitadelZombies Commander Red Shirt

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    I'll finish saving "The Deadly Years" just for the fact that I find it a lot more interesting compared to the others. Should probably give it another watch soon.

    "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" - 0
    "WOLF IN THE FOLD" - 0
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 0
     
  8. Frostscape One

    Frostscape One Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Abysmal. Just abysmal ones left.

    I'll reluctantly vote for "WOLF IN THE FOLD", because I hate that it painted Scotty so badly, but at least the plot made some kind of sense.

    "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" - 0
    "WOLF IN THE FOLD" - 1
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 0
     
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  9. Sakonna

    Sakonna Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    “Wolf In The Fold” again.

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  10. CitadelZombies

    CitadelZombies Commander Red Shirt

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    "Wolf in the Fold" kinda interesting at the beginning, but falls apart quite quickly.

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    "WOLF IN THE FOLD" - 3
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 0
     
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  11. BlueStuff

    BlueStuff Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Wolf again.

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  12. Frostscape One

    Frostscape One Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I'm not surprised it's come down to these two. These are actually the only winners of this game since it began in 2011.

    My final vote goes to "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR". While the plot made no sense, it was at least well acted.


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  13. BlueStuff

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    I don’t know about well-acted but at least it didn’t have Melvin Belli in a shower curtain.

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  14. Frostscape One

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    I meant Robert Brown. While the plot was hard to follow, he was fairly easy to track due to his switching seamlessly from raging madman to contemplative mission driven man and back to raging madman.

    At the very least, he was more entertaining than Jack Ruby's lawyer.
     
  15. Sakonna

    Sakonna Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I’ll go “And The Children Shall Lead.” It is at least memorably bizarre, and fun to mock.

    No such fun can be had with “Alternative Factor”, which is just shrill and dull.

    "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" - 2
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 1
     
  16. Qonundrum

    Qonundrum Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oh goody! Only the true crap episodes remain, woohoo! :biggrin:

    I have to vote to save "Children". Only because the writers really went for it, despite a lot of misfires in this story, but succeeding in selling some momentous occasions - such as to have transporter technicians blissfully beam people out into space and so on, and all on top of using the crew's fears against them as psychological horror that even Hitchcock might find worthy of some time, even if those amount to cliches. (if nothing else, seeing Kirk act all paranoid is surprisingly effective. Shatner genuinely is an underrated actor, especially as he took the cultural zeitgeist that followed into a new act in of itself. He's that good.) Besides, "Children" has the acting talents including but not limited to the voice of Peanuts Lucy (who also played Sally Simms), plus the dude who invented that cool instrument used in "Star Trek The Motion Picture" who also put his ciggies into Greg Brady's bookbag. \

    to compare, what does "Alternative" have? At best, it's an early example of using a theory of parallel dimensions, but that's why people watch the entertainment: What they do with the concept, not just the concept in of itself. It's like looking at a window, and few people care to know how a window is made. But that's another story, best suited with tons of needless and distracting music, camera angles changing wildly every 1.3 seconds, and so on, because otherwise it's apparently not exciting. Unless your job is to craft windows or anything made from glass, then all those distractions probably aren't as good, I guess...

    So, ultimately, what does the "Alternative" episode have? IMHO, not even crickets, unless they're snoozing deep within the Vasquez rocks where the story was filmed. or the lizards basking on the rocks' surfaces. They may have even inspired the Gorn at one point...

    "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" - 2
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 2
     
  17. Qonundrum

    Qonundrum Vice Admiral Admiral

    ^^this as well!! :luvlove:
     
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  18. smalltabby

    smalltabby Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Voting to save And The Children Shall Lead again. I too would like ice cream from the computer :)

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  19. CitadelZombies

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    I flipped a coin and ended up saving "The Alternative Factor". I don't find anything redeeming about either one of them.

    "THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR" - 3
    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" - 3
     
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  20. Seven of Five

    Seven of Five Stupid Sexy Flanders! Premium Member

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    And The Children Shall Lead needs to win this, and so it does Huzzah!

    It's just one of the worst uses of children in the franchise's history, and a paper-thin plot that just makes you want to stick rusty nails into your eyes whenever you watch. :wtf: