The Mirror Universe?

[STEPhon IT]

If all the aliens are mirror images of their Prime universe then The Vulcans would be still violent like their ancestors. There is no way Solkar's ship would not have invaded and taken over Earth. And 'technology backwards and physically weaker than Vulcans' human beings able to reverse engineer alien technology to conquer the quadrant? ROFLOL

Good point. Deep Space Nine had the humans in an occupation in the 24th century which would make sense if it happened 200 years before Kira existed; it would seem the aliens in the 22nd century would have the upperhand regardless if humans hijacked a vulcan ship. I guess for the people who loves these stupid things it doesn't matter as long as ships explode and people are being killed. Like DS9 4th thru 7th seasons.

 

[BK613]

my handwave at the MU is that it easier to push through to a parallel universe similar to yours than one that is radically different. Think how at the end of TNG Parallels how all the Ents were of the same design.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If all the aliens are mirror images of their Prime universe then The Vulcans would be still violent like their ancestors. There is no way Solkar's ship would not have invaded and taken over Earth.

Actually, most alien races are the same in the MU as they are in the regular universe - humans are the only variable. They're the ones that are different. Most others aren't.

 

[dub]

I guess for the people who loves these stupid things it doesn't matter as long as ships explode and people are being killed. Like DS9 4th thru 7th seasons.

Wow, you know DS9 fans so well. All we care about is pew pew. And most of DS9 was about stupid things. Bravo!

 

[Nyotarules]

Actually, most alien races are the same in the MU as they are in the regular universe - humans are the only variable. They're the ones that are different. Most others aren't.

The MU episodes don't really support this. Since they focused mainly on familiar characters who were more or less the opposite of their Prime selves, apart from O'Brien and Spock.

 

[Shada Dukal]

Well, the MU has never been my favorite. It is just a plot device to squeeze several episodes without having to take care of the details in the prime universe, patch things up when a character is dead or put the characters in a new setting.

I don’t think that the characters were exact opposites but rather alternative versions of the same person acting under different circumstances. They simply expressed some latent traits of their personalities that were sublimated or underdeveloped in the PU. Kira’s volatile nature and aggressiveness were transformed into bitchiness, lust and ambition in the MU. Bashir’s eagerness to please everyone and be moderate gave way to his suppressed fortitude and frustration in the MU – he was driven and capable of playing dirty, just like the PU Bashir when he lured and captured agent Sloan and entered his mind. Sisko was still the same badass and charismatic leader. Ezri was a wavering mercenary but still she was analyzing people just like the PU Ezri who was a counselor and she chose to betray the Intendant just like the PU Ezri who joined Starfleet to piss off her bossy mother. Leeta was as lascivious as usual, Jadzia was haughty and frivolous and flirted with the men around her like her PU counterpart. Worf was the same, minus the human upbringing, Garak was using the weaknesses and the mutual animosity between the power structures for his own ends, just like the PU Garak did.

The technology was the same, Vor’cha- and Galor-class ships, the Klingon-Cardassian alliance had the same uniforms. In fact, it never becomes clear how the Klingons have the same ships but without a cloaking device or how the rebels produced the parts to assemble Defiant, having in mind that the Terran Empire did not possess any shipyards or hi-tech industrial facilities, they were enslaved only few months ago.

I guess the books shed more light on this universe but the five episodes in DS9 did not explicate it, they are to be taken lightly, just a side diversion and watching the actors branching out their characters.

 

[Kor]

Good point. Deep Space Nine had the humans in an occupation in the 24th century which would make sense if it happened 200 years before Kira existed; it would seem the aliens in the 22nd century would have the upperhand regardless if humans hijacked a vulcan ship. I guess for the people who loves these stupid things it doesn't matter as long as ships explode and people are being killed. Like DS9 4th thru 7th seasons.

You might not want to come into the DS9 forum and insult the show and its fans.

Kor

 

[STEPhon IT]

Actually, most alien races are the same in the MU as they are in the regular universe - humans are the only variable. They're the ones that are different. Most others aren't.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ In an infinite multiverse, literally anything is possible.

 

[STEPhon IT]

So it's possible for a small group of Earthers could hijack an advanced alien races ship, which the Vulcanians should've been conquerors, and then dominate the quadrants of the Galaxy for the next 300 years???
Wow.
It's only possible based on how terrible the writing was.

 

[DonIago]

You do realize the point of the MU episodes isn't generally to present the most credible of timelines, right?

 

[matthunter]

So it's possible for a small group of Earthers could hijack an advanced alien races ship, which the Vulcanians should've been conquerors, and then dominate the quadrants of the Galaxy for the next 300 years???
Wow.
It's only possible based on how terrible the writing was.

This was actually suggested as a backstory for the Klingons, at one point, you know.

 

[STEPhon IT]

You do realize the point of the MU episodes isn't generally to present the most credible of timelines, right?

I've disputed credibility issues with all of TNG spinoff series, even TNG movies.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

So it's possible for a small group of Earthers could hijack an advanced alien races ship, which the Vulcanians should've been conquerors, and then dominate the quadrants of the Galaxy for the next 300 years???

Well, in the regular universe, the SS Valiant was built and launched only two years after ST:FC takes place. In the MU, "ISS Valiant" could have been under construction (during "mirror first contact"), and so the humans probably just outfitted it with captured Vulcan technology. And they may have had other ships similar to the Valiant on the drawing board.

 

[kkt]

Ah, the utopian vision of the original series... except for clueless bureaucrat flag officers, "A Private Little War", I could go on.

 

[DS9-31]

I hate the MU. Not as much as I hate Vic Fontaine, but the MU was definitely one of the low lights of the series.

 

[publiusr]

I liked the MU stories myself.

 

[Tim Walker]

Two concepts might have been interesting:

1. MU Quark suggested a sort of underground railroad, with people seeking refuge in our universe.

2. A rump Terran Empire, seeking aid in its losing battle against a Klingon/Romulan alliance.

 

[Hippocrates Noah]

I really enjoyed them all except for Resurrection, I found it a little boring and not nearly as much fun as the others. Although it did at least surprise me because I didn't see the twist coming. Maybe I'm an idiot, or maybe I was so bored I wasn't paying enough attention to see the signs.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

What is everyone's opinion on the Mirror Universe as it is portrayed in DS9

Without having seen the rest of the thread, I think they should've stopped after the second MU visit. Every such episode after season 2 has been dysmal, one way or another - its basically camp Kyra and goofy Worf running around a parody of the Mirror Universe, and I don't like it.

Personally, I would have liked to have seen more of the Terran Empire. I know the mirror Spock had stated that the Empire would collapse, but perhaps we could have seen Empire at the height of its power, or in the midst of the rebellion that would eventually overthrow it.

Actually, I kinda wish they did a time travel to that universe's past. Maybe have one of DS9's crew meet Emperor Tiberius ( ), Kirk's MU double, post-Mirror, Mirror. Would've been a clever way for Shatner to guest the show, too.