I fail to see how any energy emanating from the sun would not be "solar power".
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The video is about solar power. The problem is that the narrator is more interested in telling us all about how clever he is (and presumably we aren't) than providing clear, concise, and coherent information. The technology may be a wonderful breakthrough in overcoming the costs of manufacturing photovoltaic cells but he makes it sound like he's selling snake oil.
That's what I thought as well Asbo.
scotthm made the comment about harvesting energy from the sun.
Harvesting energy from the sun would be solar power but harvesting energy from the sun using photovoltaic cells wouldn't cause dimming to take place.
Let's say that a planet was orbiting KIC 8462852 that had a photovoltaic harvester on the surface and was the same distance from KIC 8462 that Earth is. Because of the distance between Planet K and KIC 8462 there wouldn't be any gap in the amount of energy collected by the photovoltaic harvester.
But if Planet K is moved closer to KIC 8462 the amount of time that energy takes to reach Planet K is reduced significantly so that if the energy from KIC 8462 is being harvested the entire packet of particles emanating from KIC would be harvested reducing the overall brightness of KIC 8462.
Even a small planet, the size of Mars, with a large harvester on it's surface could possibly collect enough particles from KIC 8462 to cause the light curves recorded by Kepler and keep the planet from being detected.
If there is an alien species in the system of KIC 8462 living on Planet K maybe they have discovered a way to accelerate the energy transfer of solar energy as it emanates from the sun at the speed of light so that the area that the harvester was directed at would harvest the energy of KIC 8462 so fast and because of Planet K being closer than Earth is to our Sun would cause KIC to have a dim.
I'm not talking about a passive harvester that would collect energy from KIC 8462 by being a receiver but an active harvester that would collect all energy particles within it's cone of influence the moment the energy left the surface of KIC 8462852.
Coronal Hole found in our Sun - http://www.space.com/33047-nasa-spots-huge-hole-in-sun.html
If aliens were harvesting the energy of KIC 8462 I think the logarithm of the harvest would be rather apparent which would be a continued up and down curve on a digital chart.
I for one am hoping for aliens but I have to discount as much as I possible can regarding natural events causing the dims of KIC 8462.
In this case the natural events causing the the 15% and 22% dims of KIC 8462 could have been Coronal Holes similar to the ones mentioned in the article. Like Kepler recorded the light curve of KIC 8462 was a massive dim. More massive than even the largest of Super Gas Giants would be able to create.
But Coronal Holes could create the massive light curves discovered on KIC 8462 which is the closest natural event being cause by KIC 8462 that would be possible out of alien intervention.
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Did he? I guess I'm going to have to pay more attention to this thread.
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It certainly could. That still wouldn't affect the luminosity readings from Kepler.
Other than the comets that are suspected to have caused the Kepler Event, yes.
No, because the particles themselves aren't actually emitting radiation in the visible spectrum. It would only cause a dim of that type if the COLLECTOR hardware occulted the star as it moved through space... but again, such hardware would have to be on a long-period, highly elliptical orbit and in very irregular motion, which would be a very unseemly position for an energy collector in the first place.
So even if you could conceive of an energy collector with the right size and shape to fit the observations, it would be in an orbit that would be utterly useless for collecting energy. So unless the people who designed it DELIBERATELY disguised the collector as a swarm of comets (hiding from the Borg maybe?) it's just more likely to conclude it was a swarm of comets.
The dims were caused by an object occulting the star with respect to Kepler, so basically the "front side."
I was reading an article that Stephen Hawking is writing regarding being able to escape a Black Hole. Based on the article the reason for the dim of KIC 8462 could be because of a Black Hole in the region that has not been located yet. Perhaps KIC 8462 is caught in the farthest and most distant reaching "soft hairs" of the Black Hole's gravitational effect.
If the dim is not caused by aliens, coronal holes or comets then a Black Hole could be the cause.
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/turns-escape-black-hole-142530642.html
If the dim is not caused by aliens, coronal holes or comets then a Black Hole could be the cause.
https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/turns-escape-black-hole-142530642.html
Based on the article the dimming could have been caused by a black hole? That is a false statement as the article says no such thing. Black holes have been ruled out and the reasons are conclusive. Read this for understanding if you get the time:
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/3pxa7x/is_there_a_possibility_that_the_dimming_of_kic/
I am not posting that as an authority on the topic (though there are some well qualified people weighing in here), but more as a source/discussion that is accessible for average folks.
Jupiter-Size Alien World Is Biggest 'Tatooine' Planet with 2 Suns Ever Found - See more at: http://www.space.com/33155-biggest-tatooine-exoplanet-twin-suns-found.html#sthash.FkwIuesV.dpuf
Kepler-1647b lies about 3,700 light-years from Earth, in the direction of the constellation Cygnus. The planet's two parent stars are about the same size as the sun — one is a bit bigger, and the other is a bit smaller — and they are both about 4.4 billion years old, study team members said. (The sun is 4.6 billion years old.) - See more at: http://www.space.com/33155-biggest-tatooine-exoplanet-twin-suns-found.html#sthash.FkwIuesV.dpuf
Kepler discovered the planet nearly 2,200 light years away from Earth. KIC 8462852 is around 1,500 light years from Earth. If Kepler is able to detect K-1647b at that range and determine that it is about 4.4 billion years old, then the telescope itself must be in good working order as it did not discover any dims associated with faulty equipment.
Therefore the cause of the dims regarding KIC-8462852 must be artificial in origin.
Kepler-1647b lies about 3,700 light-years from Earth, in the direction of the constellation Cygnus. The planet's two parent stars are about the same size as the sun — one is a bit bigger, and the other is a bit smaller — and they are both about 4.4 billion years old, study team members said. (The sun is 4.6 billion years old.) - See more at: http://www.space.com/33155-biggest-tatooine-exoplanet-twin-suns-found.html#sthash.FkwIuesV.dpuf
Kepler discovered the planet nearly 2,200 light years away from Earth. KIC 8462852 is around 1,500 light years from Earth. If Kepler is able to detect K-1647b at that range and determine that it is about 4.4 billion years old, then the telescope itself must be in good working order as it did not discover any dims associated with faulty equipment.
Therefore the cause of the dims regarding KIC-8462852 must be artificial in origin.
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That leap would impress Evel Knievel.
Took the liberty of substituting your spurious conclusion with one that is slightly more closely related to anything you just wrote.
In terms of the comments on solar power--at least there is ROSA
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/2139.html
As for debris--which this all may be--I did see something similar--something rather sad:
http://www.space.com/33177-limestone-planet-consumed-by-dying-star.html
There may have been life there...once
I wonder if the reflectivity of limestone might also explain the dips in this star's light.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/2139.html
As for debris--which this all may be--I did see something similar--something rather sad:
http://www.space.com/33177-limestone-planet-consumed-by-dying-star.html
There may have been life there...once
I wonder if the reflectivity of limestone might also explain the dips in this star's light.
"Limestone has connections to marine organisms on Earth," Melis said. "Marine organisms produce calcium carbonate, making shells. When they die, the shells sink to the bottom of the ocean, get compressed and eventually end up as limestone
Interesting that marine organisms produce calcium making shells. Chickens and other types of animals also create their own shells that the offspring then develop from the inside out.
From what I was reading about limestone is that it limestone is the following: Limestone comes from either the accumulation of organic debris of shells, fecal matter, algae and corals or from dissolved calcium carbonate depositing on the seafloor. It is primarily made of calcium carbonate in the form of the mineral, calcite. Limestone generally forms in clear, warm, shallow marine environments.
All of the above listed ingredients when introduced into water generates nutrients for what ever might find the water.
So the planet in the article in question must have had at one time warm, shallow marine environments or water.
Limestone at least equates to a 75% chance that life exists on a planet or did at one time.
Great article Publiusr.
Ah, but which came first -- the chicken or the egg? Answer me that. Perhaps a giant space chicken is creating a shell around KIC 8462852.
In order to create the egg the chicken in microbe size would have created the shell around it and then grew into its current size which based on the "Hobbit" people recently found on an island proves that a species will grow in size relative to the amount of found it has for intake as well as shrinking in size to how much food is not present.
So definitely the chicken then the egg.
You are the correct path of thinking Publiusr. If its not cometary dust blocking out the light then what other possible planetary break ups could release a large dust cloud that would not produce any IR signatures associated with a collision.
Normally when rocks collide together at extreme velocities an IR signature is created because the metal alloys in the rocks create friction upon contact. But what about rocks comprised of non metallic alloys such as limestone that when they collide would not create an IR signature but would leave behind large dust clouds instead?
Ah, so there was a primordial microbe chicken? Is that God?
So, you're saying non-metallic rocks are frictionless? Any four year old that has skinned their knee on the sidewalk can tell you that's not right.
Heh, took most of the skin off the back of my left hand when I was 5 so yeah, tarmac is not your friend.
I'm sorry, I tried, I really did, but I just can't take enough drugs to make any sense out of whatever this says.
Anyway, the correct answer is that the egg came first. What laid the egg was a protochicken. Almost, but not quite, a chicken.
Metazoa evolved from protozoa (single-celled eukaryotes) that could reproduce by meiosis so the answer is egg, which is a large gamete (haploid cell) until it is fertilised, becomes a diploid zygote and starts cell cleavage to form an embryo.
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