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The Measure of a Man - Thoughts

That was "Clues", where there's a preponderance of evidence that Data isn't being honest with Our Heroes, and it's later revealed that Picard specifically ordered Data not to be honest with them.

Sort of the HAL 9000 scenario.

Except that HAL actually killed the whole crew but one!! He wasn't so much stripped than stopped. They were even able to restart his system later, with a few less memories though... sort of what happens to someone after a long Coma.
 
Good thing Data never saw 2001!

Well, if he's the walking-talking encyclopedia he's vaunted to be, he must know of it and in greater detail than people who've actually seen it. I remember him listening to like a hundred different pieces of music simultaneously... I am guessing in order to learn as much as possible about them in as little time as possible.
 
And I never understood the hurry that they showed in the episode. They couldn't wait for someone who wasn't deeply involved to act as a defense lawyer or a prosecutor?

Maybe that was a trick by Maddox.
After Picard challenged the ruling, Maddox wanted to have a fast hearing where there would be no experts and he could have an easy victory, or so he thought.
 
Maybe that was a trick by Maddox.
After Picard challenged the ruling, Maddox wanted to have a fast hearing where there would be no experts and he could have an easy victory, or so he thought.
I don't know. They had to decide on an incredible and delicate matter, probably something for which they would be judged by future scholars. They couldn't postpone it just a little bit?
 
I never understood how ownership of Data was established in the first place. I am guessing that even in the Star Trek world, you can't just claim "This is mine" without some legitimacy to your claim, like when and where was the act of ownership decided, by whom and for what reason. Data was initially Soong's creation and therefore implicitly property. How can SF claim property without Soong having some say in the matter?

How could Data as a sentient being become the property of Star Fleet without being made aware of it? And if he was aware of it then why didn't he protest then instead of waiting for such a crisis to happen?

PHILLIPA: I have completed my research, based on the Acts of Cumberland passed in the early twenty first century. Data is the property of Starfleet. He cannot resign and he cannot refuse to cooperate with Commander Maddox.

She was basing it on case law. We're supposed to be passing the acts of cumerland soon.
 
Maybe that was a trick by Maddox.
After Picard challenged the ruling, Maddox wanted to have a fast hearing where there would be no experts and he could have an easy victory, or so he thought.
Still, I never understood why counsel couldn't have been provided over communication channels. If Geordi's parents can get calls placed to him, out in the middle of nowhere, there's no reason why Louvois couldn't have temporary counsel in the court room, via viewscreen. Personally, I find Picard & Riker barely up to the challenge. Real legal representation would be so much better, even if they weren't there live
 
Probably best not to view this episode through the lens of how things would probably "really" play out and just accept the premise for what it is.
 
it's been a while since I watched the episode. Why were they in such a hurry?
 
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I’d always guessed Maddox lobbied starfleet for years to get permission to dismantle Data. He had the admiral go on the bridge to give the order directly.
 
I feel the Federation is not so hierarchical as our society is, so they'd totally trust local officers to make judgement decisions and not have some sort of patriarchal elite deciding every ruling and choosing which are too important for a qualified officer to make.

I felt this episode was brilliant drama and it's really for us watching, it's not really a true court documentary, right?
 
It does seem rather odd (in a real world sense) to use non-lawyers to act as lawyers but having Riker act as prosecutor added to the drama. What people fail to consider is that writers, directors, and TV producers are most often trying to make an entertaining show that draws viewers in and while reality might make more sense, it's not always the best way to make an entertaining TV show.
 
I don't feel that I should worry too much about my view of reality when watching a show like this because it's about a fictional future, and it makes no sense to me to judge it by my values, right? Like if someone from 600 years ago was looking at my life, he might be outraged like "Why's this peasant woman making decisions! So unrealistic!". I feel we should just accept what they say about their reality and enjoy the beautiful drama.
 
It does seem rather odd (in a real world sense) to use non-lawyers to act as lawyers but having Riker act as prosecutor added to the drama. What people fail to consider is that writers, directors, and TV producers are most often trying to make an entertaining show that draws viewers in and while reality might make more sense, it's not always the best way to make an entertaining TV show.
I can agree with that, but Picard & Riker just seem so out of their element with it (Which admittedly also adds to the drama) I'd be more accepting of non-lawyers acting in a lawyer capacity (Cuz it is a fictional reality anyhow) IF they didn't seem like it was so alien to them.

I'm ok with Starfleet officers being whatever the plot calls for, police, medics, diplomats, etc... They are futuristic... evolved. It's fine to expect they have the ability to be more than what we might think. They just seem surprised at the idea, & it's a relatively new development for Starfleet officers. Do we have examples of similar things happening on TOS, Command track Starfleet officers having the ability to litigate? I can't recall any

It's mostly just a nit pick lol. I'll shut up
 
Do we have examples of similar things happening on TOS, Command track Starfleet officers having the ability to litigate?

Not that I'm aware of, although it's quite the coincidence that in the TOS episode, Court Martial, the ideal lawyer to defend Kirk just happens to be right there. ;)
 
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