The master

[Mark_Nguyen]

You know, if one counts everyone who's played the Master over the years, and being a little creative with how you percieve his forms, you could get more than a few "extra" Master incarnations:

13th - Delgado. We was already af the end of fhis life cycle.

14th - Crispy Master in "The Deadly Assassin". In other words, 13 tried to extend his life by regeneration and we get this guy. This episode suggests as much, and I'd hate to think that ALL Time Lords get crispy by default at the end of their lives.

15th - Extra Crispy Master from "The Keeper of Traken". The makeup is completely different as is the actor; his portrayal is also slightly different as a result. Perhaps the Crispy Master tried to regenerate again through nefarious means, and we get Extra Crispy as a result?

16th - Anthony Ainley's Master. The one true Master in my book.

17th - The Tipple Master seen at the beginning of TVM. I see it more logical that the Ainley master would rather figure out a way to regenerate again rather than lose weight (Tipple was visibly thinner than Ainley was in "Survival") and dye his beard black (Ainley was greying in "Survival"; it wasn't completely clear, but Tipple seemed to have a fully black goatee).

18th - The slimey snakey thing. Some actually do count this as an incarnation, if not a regeneration.

19th - The Roberts Master. Ding! That ham was done.

20th - The Pre-Yana Master. While the chameleon arch could explain the backstory as he remembered it, Yana described himself as having been found as a child with no memory of himself. Between this and the many years he spent with ChanTho at his side, one way to explain this incarnation was that he regenerated from the body the Time Lords had brought him back into the Yana incarnation as a child, aging as a human since then.

21st - The Yana Master. Oh, how I wish we coulda seen more of him as an evil sumbitch.

22nd - The Simm Master.

23rd - The Simm Master for "The End of Time" story. Technically speaking they used his blood, but not his body, to somehow resurrect both; it's not really a regeneration. But you can argue that it IS an incarnation because the previous body was burned away.

24th - The Cumberbatch Master. Hey, we can dream, no?

Mark

 

[CaptainMatt]

The Roberts Master. Ding! That ham was done. Mark

Hey! There was nothing bad about Roberts' Master if you choose to keep a lively mind.

 

[Sindatur]

What's this "Tipple Master at the beginning of TVM"? The Master was a green gooey snake in a casket at the beginning of the TVM, from what I remember?

 

[CaptainMatt]

He is referring to the image seen briefly in the Dalek execution chamber as Paul McGann is narrarrating the TV Movie opening. The gooey thing is what was left of that Master.

 

[Rarewolf]

He's exterminated (disintegrated) in the pre-titles. He really only still gets a credit (as old Master) since originally he had the opening narration too.

 

[Sindatur]

He is referring to the image seen briefly in the Dalek execution chamber as Paul McGann is narrarrating the TV Movie opening. The gooey thing is what was left of that Master.

Hmmmm...Time to pull it out again and watch it, I don't remember a Dalek Execution Chamber either. I remember the shaking tea cup and the focus on and eventual skipping of the record though

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Delgado. We was already af the end of fhis life cycle.

Is this confirmed?

Crispy Master in "The Deadly Assassin". In other words, 13 tried to extend his life by regeneration and we get this guy. This episode suggests as much, and I'd hate to think that ALL Time Lords get crispy by default at the end of their lives.

AFAIK, the only other explanation we got was in one of the John Peel novels, I think it was War of the Daleks:

Spoiler: novel

Susan did it. Master attacks her, she fights back, burns him, steals his TARDIS.

 

[CaptainMatt]

He is referring to the image seen briefly in the Dalek execution chamber as Paul McGann is narrarrating the TV Movie opening. The gooey thing is what was left of that Master.

Hmmmm...Time to pull it out again and watch it, I don't remember a Dalek Execution Chamber either. I remember the shaking tea cup and the focus on and eventual skipping of the record though

Well the chamber was more like an abstract booth that the glowing eyes morphed into at the very start of the movie.
The other stuff came later in the show.

 

[Sindatur]

He is referring to the image seen briefly in the Dalek execution chamber as Paul McGann is narrarrating the TV Movie opening. The gooey thing is what was left of that Master.

Hmmmm...Time to pull it out again and watch it, I don't remember a Dalek Execution Chamber either. I remember the shaking tea cup and the focus on and eventual skipping of the record though

Well the chamber was more like an abstract booth that the glowing eyes morphed into at the very start of the movie.
The other stuff came later in the show.

Ah, I see now, I popped it in when I got home, now I understand. My recorded from TV VHS (from the original airing) copy has very poor video in that spot. I have a real DVD now, so I can see all that part clearly now and haven't watched the movie since I upgraded

 

[arch101]

I really wish we had at least one full ep with Sir Derek's Master. Those few minutes that he was fully "in character" are GREAT. I actually liked Eric Roberts too. Reminded me of Ainley. Too bad they didn't have him grow a goatee as the film progressed to complete the look.
I do agree that the next Master, and there WILL be one, should be a little older, more sedate, and Delgado-like.

 

[PorthosShadow]

I think the return of The Master at some point is a foregone conclusion but here is an interesting aspect. If you assume that The Master went back with The Time Lords into the Time Lock at the end of "The End Of Time" then for him to return would mean breaking said Time Lock. So could that be SM's way of being able to bring back the Time Lords and hopefully less insane. Maybe even with The Master as the Time Lord President

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I really wish we had at least one full ep with Sir Derek's Master. Those few minutes that he was fully "in character" are GREAT. I actually liked Eric Roberts too. Reminded me of Ainley. Too bad they didn't have him grow a goatee as the film progressed to complete the look.
I do agree that the next Master, and there WILL be one, should be a little older, more sedate, and Delgado-like.

Delgado certainly didn't act like he was hearing drums, so maybe the next one will be a little calmer.

The rest of them, one could almost sense the insanity.

 

[PorthosShadow]

I really wish we had at least one full ep with Sir Derek's Master. Those few minutes that he was fully "in character" are GREAT. I actually liked Eric Roberts too. Reminded me of Ainley. Too bad they didn't have him grow a goatee as the film progressed to complete the look.
I do agree that the next Master, and there WILL be one, should be a little older, more sedate, and Delgado-like.

Delgado certainly didn't act like he was hearing drums, so maybe the next one will be a little calmer.

The rest of them, one could almost sense the insanity.

You could make the argument that the drums got louder and louder as the penultimate event grew nearer.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

^ That might be the best way to look at it.

But if the Master somehow made the drumming stop, wouldn't it stop all the way back, since it started in his youth?

Then if that happened, he really wouldn't have become the Master we know.

And then......................on no, I've gone cross-eyed.

 

[Zeppster]

I think the return of The Master at some point is a foregone conclusion but here is an interesting aspect. If you assume that The Master went back with The Time Lords into the Time Lock at the end of "The End Of Time" then for him to return would mean breaking said Time Lock. So could that be SM's way of being able to bring back the Time Lords and hopefully less insane. Maybe even with The Master as the Time Lord President

I get what you are saying but I think the war between them and the Daleks obviously put the Time Lords into places that you can't really turn back. Plus it's not like the time lords were ever really portrayed as sane in the first place.

 

[The Wormhole]

I think the return of The Master at some point is a foregone conclusion but here is an interesting aspect. If you assume that The Master went back with The Time Lords into the Time Lock at the end of "The End Of Time" then for him to return would mean breaking said Time Lock. So could that be SM's way of being able to bring back the Time Lords and hopefully less insane. Maybe even with The Master as the Time Lord President

I get what you are saying but I think the war between them and the Daleks obviously put the Time Lords into places that you can't really turn back. Plus it's not like the time lords were ever really portrayed as sane in the first place.

But more to the point, I don't think Moffat has any real interest in reviving the Time Lords. While it's always possible the Master could return, the Time Lords themselves are probably off the board for as long as Moffat is in charge.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I really wish we had at least one full ep with Sir Derek's Master. Those few minutes that he was fully "in character" are GREAT. I actually liked Eric Roberts too. Reminded me of Ainley. Too bad they didn't have him grow a goatee as the film progressed to complete the look.
I do agree that the next Master, and there WILL be one, should be a little older, more sedate, and Delgado-like.

Scream of the Shalka.

Although in that, Derek was practically twirling his moustache.

the master also said that he had run out of regenerations in the 5 Doctors, which is why they offered him a new set of 12, and he again tried to steal the Doctor's remaining lives in the movie.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey...if Delgado was the 12th incarnation, does anyone think that The Doctor could run into one of his previous incarnations? Or would that be too confusing for an audience which mostly only knows John Simm and Derek Jacobi?

 

[Chaos Descending]

I don't know if the pre-Time War Masters are even accessible now.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Jack said that he chose not to meet earlier versions of the Doctor while waiting for 10, so by default that means earlier versions of the Doctor fighting earlier versions of the Master.

JACK: All right, so I bounced. I thought 21st century, the best place to find the Doctor, except that I got it a little wrong. Arrived in 1869, this thing burnt out, so it was useless.
DOCTOR: Told you.
JACK: I had to live through the entire twentieth century waiting for a version of you that would coincide with me.
MARTHA: But that makes you more than one hundred years old.

He probably had to avoid future versions of the Doctor as well?