Spoilers The Marvels grade and discussion

[Dee1891]

Captain America is going to trick a lot of people not paying attention, like those millions of fools who wanted a Sean Connery Movie only to be greeted by George Lazenby.

For me that would be ironic, considering that "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" is my favorite Bond movie.

It's interesting that Bob Iger and several others are dumping all the blame on director Nia DeCosta for box office failure of "The Marvels". Yet, WB had hired James Gunn to serve as co-head of their new DC movies franchise, despite the box office failure of "The Suicide Squad".

 

[Nightowl1701]

The problem was the marketing considering all the positive reviews

Or the near-total lack thereof, thanks to the WGA/SAG-AFTRA strike. If they'd been able to turn Iman Vellani loose on social media, get WandaVision out on DVD/Blu-Ray sooner, and/or crank out one of those 'Prelude' comics they used to do (either an adaptation of a preceding chapter, in this case Captain Marvel, or an original story bridging the narrative gap between that, WandaVision and Ms. Marvel), I think this story could have had a very different ending. At the least, not as bad a one.

It's interesting that Bob Iger and several others are dumping all the blame on director Nia DeCosta for box office failure of "The Marvels". Yet, WB had hired James Gunn to serve as co-head of their new DC movies franchise, despite the box office failure of "The Suicide Squad".

So there was something to that story about DeCosta bailing on the film in mid post-production after all?

 

[Set Harth]

I'm not sure a Wandavision release date would have changed anything.

 

[Dee1891]

Or the near-total lack thereof, thanks to the WGA/SAG-AFTRA strike. If they'd been able to turn Iman Vellani loose on social media, get WandaVision out on DVD/Blu-Ray sooner, and/or crank out one of those 'Prelude' comics they used to do (either an adaptation of a preceding chapter, in this case Captain Marvel, or an original story bridging the narrative gap between that, WandaVision and Ms. Marvel), I think this story could have had a very different ending. At the least, not as bad a one.



So there was something to that story about DeCosta bailing on the film in mid post-production after all?

Many believe Iger was using DeCosta as a scapegoat.

 

[Guy Gardener]

For me that would be ironic, considering that "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" is my favorite Bond movie.

It's interesting that Bob Iger and several others are dumping all the blame on director Nia DeCosta for box office failure of "The Marvels". Yet, WB had hired James Gunn to serve as co-head of their new DC movies franchise, despite the box office failure of "The Suicide Squad".

What if Darben was into Carol?

Staple a love story in there.

World War Two would have been very different if if Hitler looked just like a 24 year old Naomi Campbell.

"I know I should hate you, billions of my countrymen are dead and dying tortured by a diseased sun that you poisoned... But can I comb your hair all night, and you know, collect any loose dandruff for later?"

 

[Commander Troi]

If they'd been able to turn Iman Vellani loose on social media,

Yeah, she's irrepressable and adorkable. She'd have been amazeballs on the talk shows.

 

[Set Harth]

How did the first movie make a billion dollars? Were people marched in at gunpoint? Did they use the hypnosis guy from that old SNL sketch?

 

[Tuskin38]

How did the first movie make a billion dollars? Were people marched in at gunpoint? Did they use the hypnosis guy from that old SNL sketch?

They made a good movie and didn't have strikes preventing proper advertisement.

 

[UssGlenn]

They made a good movie and didn't have strikes preventing proper advertisement.

They made a serviceable movie that surfed the Infinity War wave.

 

[Tuskin38]

Captain Marvel is my favourite MCU film, or at the very least the one I've rewatched the most.

 

[The Knappos]

They made a serviceable movie that surfed the Infinity War wave.

How come Ant-Man and the Wasp didn’t take $1B+ in that case?

 

[UssGlenn]

How come Ant-Man and the Wasp didn’t take $1B+ in that case?

because it wasn't teased at the end of Infinity War, and implied to be important to see to get the whole story. They also marketed Capt Marvel more than AM&TW.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

because it wasn't teased at the end of Infinity War, and implied to be important to see to get the whole story. They also marketed Capt Marvel more than AM&TW.

Which is funny as Ant-man turned out to be a key figure to beating Thanos, more than Carol.

 

[Set Harth]

Well, Carol did rescue Tony, destroy Thanos' ship, and participate in the game of keep-away with the Gauntlet... that's not nothing.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

True. Anyone of them played some part.
Ant-Man’s contribution was access to the quantum realm though.
A central plot element the whole movie revolves around.

 

[Set Harth]

As I walked out of the theater there was actually a girl standing off to the side complaining that Carol didn't do more to defeat Thanos!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well, Carol did rescue Tony, destroy Thanos' ship, and participate in the game of keep-away with the Gauntlet... that's not nothing.

That wasn't their Thanos.

A young turk from another timeline who had not assembled the stones destroyed half the life in the universe or killed Loki with his bare hands, acting like he had the right to win or lose the final battle.

 

[eschaton]

I don't think the comparison of Ant-Man and Captain Marvel is fair.

Ant-Man was the coda of Phase 2, and came after Avengers: Age of Ultron. This is important for two reasons. One there were no hanging plot threads from Ultron left. Two, Ultron got a somewhat mixed response. Hence the relatively low box office for Ant-Man (which was also designed as a smaller-scale, lower-budget origin film) made sense.

Captain Marvel, in contrast, came not after Endgame, but between Infinity War and Endgame. It was not the coda to Phase 3 (that was Spider-Man: Far From Home). Infinity War ended on a cliffhanger, and hinted that Captain Marvel would be important for Endgame (which, by that point, came out nearly a year before). So I think it's fair to conclude in retrospect some people turned out because they were really chomping at the bit for more Avengers.

Add to this that some of the marketing hinted the movie would help develop Nick Fury, and I think a fair number of people didn't show up specifically for Carol. Or may have showed up to check out Carol, but decided, four years later, they just didn't care all that much.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Well, Carol did rescue Tony, destroy Thanos' ship, and participate in the game of keep-away with the Gauntlet... that's not nothing.

And don't forget how Thanos looked genuinely worried when facing off against her...until he ripped the Power Stone off the Gauntlet to punch her away. That alone bought Tony enough time to jump in and ultimately save the day. That ain't nothing.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Just read a Facebook post claiming the Kamala is the reason that the villain was d-list, and therefore the movie failed. Ms. Marvel was too sweet and innocent to be soured from confronting a villain who made the audience wet themselves.

Then I wondered what a story would be like where Ms. Marvel had kept punching Dar-Ben until you could see the Kree villainess' brain?