The Maple Leaf Lounge

[Timewalker]

Charlie Angus is sponsoring two House of Commons petitions. One is to revoke Elon Musk's Canadian citizenship. The other is to deny Trump entry into Canada.

He's already not supposed to enter Canada, given his felon status, but this petition is likely meant to make sure that no PM or premier can override that.

 

[Marc]

Charlie Angus is sponsoring two House of Commons petitions. One is to revoke Elon Musk's Canadian citizenship. The other is to deny Trump entry into Canada.

He's already not supposed to enter Canada, given his felon status, but this petition is likely meant to make sure that no PM or premier can override that.

musk is a sack of shit but revoking some-one's citizenship for their politics sets a very dangerous precedent and is little different from trump revoking birthright citizenship.

 

[JLA]

What is the reason given for revoking Musk's citizenship?

Petition contends billionaire businessman and adviser to U.S. President Donald Trump has engaged in activities that go against the national interest of Canada

 

[JLA]

Musk is a native of South Africa but he has Canadian citizenship through his Regina-born mother.

Depending on how someone has citizenship of a nation can influence whether or not they can keep it.
I'm not saying that's right, just noting it's a thing.

 

[Marc]

Depending on how someone has citizenship of a nation can influence whether or not they can keep it.
I'm not saying that's right, just noting it's a thing.

normally the only grounds in a western democracy for stripping non-birthright citizenship e.g inheritance through a parent or naturalisation it is criminal conviction which makes the person unable to stay in the country.

 

[Timewalker]

musk is a sack of shit but revoking some-one's citizenship for their politics sets a very dangerous precedent and is little different from trump revoking birthright citizenship.

There's a difference between revoking citizenship because of deliberate efforts to destabilize a country's government and using foreign resources to influence a federal election and revoking citizenship because you (general 'you') don't like the skin color or ethnicity or religion of a particular group of people.

What is the reason given for revoking Musk's citizenship?

It's sponsored by a member of the House of Commons.

So many people have been carrying on about such-and-such a petition on change (dot) org, and I keep telling them that petition mills are useless and just exist to harvest people's information. This kind is different; it will be presented in the House. It probably won't succeed, but it's another way for people to express how very unimpressed they are with what Musk is doing.

I remember back in 2015, people were talking about requesting United Nations observers for the federal election because there was so much distrust in Harper and his cronies. Funny how all the shenanigans the Reformacons got up do didn't make a win possible.

 

[Avro Arrow]

The Citizenship Act only allows for citizenship to be revoked under one specific circumstance: the citizenship was obtained through fraud/misrepresentation.

10 (1) Subject to subsection 10.1(1), the Minister may revoke a person’s citizenship or renunciation of citizenship if the Minister is satisfied on a balance of probabilities that the person has obtained, retained, renounced or resumed his or her citizenship by false representation or fraud or by knowingly concealing material circumstances.

I dislike Musk and everything he's doing as much as anyone, but this petition is basically pointless, other than expressing our general displeasure with Musk's activities. There is no legal recourse for removing his citizenship, so there's nothing the Prime Minister can really do. Unless they try to act extralegally somehow. But we either believe in the rule of law or we don't; trying to revoke Musk's citizenship extralegally would make us no better than the current American administration.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Time for another silly question....

Does every Canadian province have its own version of LCBO? I know all about that, of course. Only place you can buy booze in Ontario. Is this a thing throughout all of Canada?

(I probably should have just googled it but honestly, it's more fun asking you people. )

 

[HotRod]

Time for another silly question....

Does every Canadian province have its own version of LCBO? I know all about that, of course. Only place you can buy booze in Ontario. Is this a thing throughout all of Canada?

(I probably should have just googled it but honestly, it's more fun asking you people. )

Depends on the province. Should also be noted that you can now get beer and wine in most grocery stores and many convenience stores in Ontario.

 

[Marc]

Depends on the province. Should also be noted that you can now get beer and wine in most grocery stores and many convenience stores in Ontario.

unless it's from the U.S in which case you'll need to go elsewhere.

 

[HotRod]

unless it's from the U.S in which case you'll need to go elsewhere.

True!

 

[Timewalker]

The Citizenship Act only allows for citizenship to be revoked under one specific circumstance: the citizenship was obtained through fraud/misrepresentation.



I dislike Musk and everything he's doing as much as anyone, but this petition is basically pointless, other than expressing our general displeasure with Musk's activities. There is no legal recourse for removing his citizenship, so there's nothing the Prime Minister can really do. Unless they try to act extralegally somehow. But we either believe in the rule of law or we don't; trying to revoke Musk's citizenship extralegally would make us no better than the current American administration.

We will have to agree to disagree on this. If you're comfortable having a citizen who is actively working on ways to allow a foreign country to take us over, that tells me you have a strange set of ideas on what citizenship means.

Time for another silly question....

Does every Canadian province have its own version of LCBO? I know all about that, of course. Only place you can buy booze in Ontario. Is this a thing throughout all of Canada?

(I probably should have just googled it but honestly, it's more fun asking you people. )

Alberta's liquor sales were privatized decades ago.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Does every Canadian province have its own version of LCBO? I know all about that, of course. Only place you can buy booze in Ontario. Is this a thing throughout all of Canada?

Kind of. They have their own rules and their own liquor control boards, just like different States have their own rules. Quebec for instance has sold beer in convenience stores for decades, long before Ontario started selling beer in grocery stores and more recently convenience stores, and the most recent thing in Ontario is beer in Costco.

 

[Avro Arrow]

We will have to agree to disagree on this. If you're comfortable having a citizen who is actively working on ways to allow a foreign country to take us over, that tells me you have a strange set of ideas on what citizenship means.

I didn't say I liked it. But we are also getting a front-row seat to watch what a government looks like when it doesn't feel bound by its own laws, and I definitely don't think that should be anything we emulate, ever.

If Musk is so eager to colonize Mars, I wish he'd just go right now, and leave the rest of here in peace.

Should also be noted that you can now get beer and wine in most grocery stores and many convenience stores in Ontario.

And it only cost us $600 million to get it in those convenience stores before Ford's election, instead of just waiting 16 months!

 

[Timewalker]

If Musk is so eager to colonize Mars, I wish he'd just go right now, and leave the rest of here in peace.

I'd rather he fall into a wormhole and end up somewhere really unpleasant, like the black hole we're said to have at the centre of the galaxy.

I wouldn't want to look up at Mars, knowing he's there, contaminating it.

 

[DEWLine]

Musk has announced his belief that "Canada is not a real country", and is actively supporting Trump's annexation scheme.

Also, we have the Zundel precedent.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Also, we have the Zundel precedent.

I'm not sure on what your proposal is here? The very article you link to specifically states Zundel was not a Canadian citizen.

If what you say about Musk is true (and I'm not doubting you, I have every reason to believe he has done exactly that), then since he is a citizen, he has probably already committed sedition. And depending on where things go, he could eventually end up also being guilty of treason. (But I sure hope things never get that far... )

Now whether we actually ever get to charge him is another thing. But one can dream...

 

[Owain Taggart]

Musk has announced his belief that "Canada is not a real country", and is actively supporting Trump's annexation scheme.
Also, we have the Zundel precedent.

Funny, because then that means he's not a real citizen

Trump and his administration will say anything just to get a soundbite, in order to stay in the minds of Canadians.

 

[Timewalker]

Trump does not have an "administration." He has a gang of thugs.

 

[DEWLine]

Thugs, grifters, religious fanatics...