The Maple Leaf Lounge

[DEWLine]

Eastern Ottawa - Orléans, Blackburn Hamlet and so on - is coping with the same smoke issues. When I went for my walk this morning, I masked up. Was already doing that because Pandemic, of course, and the additional reason to do so was...well, it was there.

Noticing more people masking up. I'll take it.

 

[wayoung]

Air quality is much worse today than yesterday. I took the day off work, had already told the bosses I would if it didn't improve.

I'm indoors but I am still recovering from a major asthma episode and this shit is still getting into my apartment a bit making me feel unwell, headaches, and coughing at the slightest movement. Decided I'd be better off to spend the day doing nothing. As it is I felt so shitty yesterday that I didn't get much beyond the necessary work done.

Tomorrow is supposed to be much better.

Edit: my area just went off the top of Environment Canada's air quality scale

 

[wayoung]

 

[Owain Taggart]

Rather ironic, but on the other hand I think haze is a perfect example of why it's important.

 

[wayoung]

I shared that in a group chat and had one person say that proves the fires are a coordinated attack by environmentalists and the government to force through new environmental legislation

 

[Marc]

I shared that in a group chat and had one person say that proves the fires are a coordinated attack by environmentalists and the government to force through new environmental legislation

yeah that sort of crap from right-wingers is not new or unique.

same sort of crap got spewed by them in Australia a couple of years back when fires were causing massive damage to property and livelyhoods.

 

[wayoung]

yeah that sort of crap from right-wingers is not new or unique.

same sort of crap got spewed by them in Australia a couple of years back when fires were causing massive damage to property and livelyhoods.

Yeah I just wasn't expecting it from these people. Goes to show how widespread this bullshit is becoming, and why nothing will ever be done to fix it. If more and more people think the effects of climate change are hoaxes done to further a fake climate change agenda, less and less will be done to combat climate change, causing it to get worse, causing more radicalization among people who call it a hoax....

All thanks to scum exploiting and promoting shit they even know isn't true for financial and political gain.

Did you see the report that now they're expecting the arctic to be ice free in the 2030's?

We're all fucking doomed.

 

[Owain Taggart]

I shared that in a group chat and had one person say that proves the fires are a coordinated attack by environmentalists and the government to force through new environmental legislation

Really, there's no pleasing people sometimes. To think we'd be willingly do this to ourselves is absurd.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I shared that in a group chat and had one person say that proves the fires are a coordinated attack by environmentalists and the government to force through new environmental legislation

What - and I cannot stress this enough - the FUCK?

 

[wayoung]

What - and I cannot stress this enough - the FUCK?

Was pretty much my response

 

[Marc]

Really, there's no pleasing people sometimes. To think we'd be willingly do this to ourselves is absurd.

Saw some of the comments finally making the media.

The Toronto Star had an article on danielle smith's comments that she was more worried about arsonists either though they're only responsible for 5%. Most fires are either started by accident (atv riders, trains, unattended campfires) or lightning strikes.

Then moved on the bullshit like "green terrorists" were responsible. Not suprising max maxiem berneir was repsonsible.

that utter sack of shit is seeking to re-enter the commons by winning the riding in an upcoming Manitoba by-election.

It's a traditionally tory riding. Best option would be that max made and the tory candidate split the vote so the liberal wins (which would be major slap in the face ot pierre pissant). Second best is the tory wins.

 

[Owain Taggart]

The Toronto Star had an article on danielle smith's comments that she was more worried about arsonists either though they're only responsible for 5%. Most fires are either started by accident (atv riders, trains, unattended campfires) or lightning strikes.

Then moved on the bullshit like "green terrorists" were responsible. Not suprising max maxiem berneir was repsonsible.

Will wonders never cease! Though it wouldn't surprise me if those are the same people who deny climate change. One only needs to look at the Martian-like atmosphere in some places due to the fires, that something very wrong is occurring. Green terrorism is a very sad theory as no environmentalist would willingly be putting the earth in danger to prove a point. That's the main flaw with that theory.

 

[Marc]

Will wonders never cease! Though it wouldn't surprise me if those are the same people who deny climate change. One only needs to look at the Martian-like atmosphere in some places due to the fires, that something very wrong is occurring. Green terrorism is a very sad theory as no environmentalist would willingly be putting the earth in danger to prove a point. That's the main flaw with that theory.

one my wife's PSWs hs gone full right-wing nut job including the believe the fires were deliberately started by govt agents.

Guess he must mean federal ones given that the worst fire have been in both Alberta and Nova Scotia which both have conservative governments.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Wow, that's ridiculous. Like the government would want to cause a situation that would cause itself lots of money. Do these people not know that fighting fires can be an expensive endeavour? Last I heard Biden was sending firefighters to help, already in addition to the 600 who were already there, and that there's also a large group of firefighters from South Africa that have come to Canada to help put them out.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Sorry, there was a bit of cross-discussion going on. Talk about Ontario Place, and talk about the Skydome. You'd replied and quoted me and I thought you were referring to Ontario Place which is what I'd been discussing, in having gone downhill, with some parts abandoned.

They must really be kicking it into gear with reviving Ontario Place. When I was in Toronto last week I saw ads all over the place (and on TV) regarding it.

And, I'm sorry to say...I now understand why they want to move the Ontario Science Centre. I love it there but they really need a new building, IMHO. The existing one is definitely showing its age.

Also I'm still wondering if I'll be a deceased old man before they finish building the Eglinton line.

 

[Owain Taggart]

They must really be kicking it into gear with reviving Ontario Place. When I was in Toronto last week I saw ads all over the place (and on TV) regarding it.

I don't think it's that they're trying to revive it, which isn't the case, but that they're trying to decide what to do with that piece of land. Ontario Place as a location has lain dormant for at least a decade or more, and about the only valuable thing about it is the amphitheatre. They're trying to decide wether to move the science centre there, or develop the area to be a scenic spa, from what I understand.

 

[Marc]

I don't think it's that they're trying to revive it, which isn't the case, but that they're trying to decide what to do with that piece of land. Ontario Place as a location has lain dormant for at least a decade or more, and about the only valuable thing about it is the amphitheatre. They're trying to decide wether to move the science centre there, or develop the area to be a scenic spa, from what I understand.

years of dithering and people are largely quite, but have started bellyaching cos of the spa idea.

So fucking what. Should have pushed hard for something to done years ago and the liberals can't say anything - they dithered with getting requests for ideas and the doing little to fuck all.

 

[Owain Taggart]

I don't disagree. Something should have been done with the space long ago. While I don't even live near Toronto, I have fond memories of Ontario Place, and it's been sad to see it in such a state for so many years. I think moving the Ontario Science Centre there would be the best idea. Our local science centre is located by the water, and it makes for a nice atmosphere. They could have exhibits there to take advantage of the space.

 

[DEWLine]

I'm unconvinced of the proposal re: Therme being pushed by Doug Ford and company right now.

http://spacing.ca/toronto/2023/06/09/the-ontario-place-redevelopment-isnt-about-tourism/

http://spacing.ca/toronto/2023/05/15/what-is-the-source-of-thermes-financing/

 

[Owain Taggart]

Well, IMHO, if it isn't about tourism, then straight out the gate, that's a loss of potential. It's a beautiful area that was once a popular destination and they should really take advantage of its beauty, and if the plan is to create a spa, then I doubt it's going to create much tourism, the same way as Ontario Place once did anyway. I agree with the article, that they need to leverage its location on Lake Ontario and make the most of it. Putting a spa there would be such a waste on the use of such a space.