The one thing that now bothers me is with gorgu still being an effective infant at 50 years old; Yoda at 900 should probably just be (at best) middle aged given the longevity of his particular species; yet he acts like 900 is a long life for him.
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It bothers me too so I figure that just the environment was not conducive for him to fully grow.
Probably because 900 is a long life for his species and it just takes the species more than 50 years to mature from birth to adolescence. Slow to grow but once an adult you live for about 900 years.
I'm really sorry, I misunderstood you. And just to be clear, my going to Wookiepedia is nothing out of the ordinary. Whenever I talk about anything like this, I almost always have a wiki open in another tab just to double check my facts. I don't trust my own memory, and I always try to be as accurate as possible. Again, I'm really sorry I upset you, that was not my intent.
Right?! I mean consider how a human child's development would be affected if they'd be essentially orphaned as a toddler then seemingly left alone for *years*.
His physical and emotional/mental development might be slower than a human's but he still experiences time at the same rate as everyone else. Probably the closest comparison would be an adult in their 50's who still has the mental age of a 4 year old, but had been neglected and locked away from any real personal contact for most of his life.
With that in mind Grogu is astonishingly well adjusted. A human with that kind of history would likely either be entirely withdrawn, wildly unstable or borderline feral.
I’m wondering if Yoda’s people actually do some kind of chrysalis evolution thing at some point, going into a cocoon at and then come out a week later (or something) fully grown and developed. A linear progression of aging based on Grogu’s current emotional and mental level development after 50 years really doesn’t seem practical for an advanced and highly intelligent species, from a survival POV. I’m thinking there’s going to be a drastic jump in the coming episodes, possibly cliffhanger fodder.
I don't see why. A chrysalis is usually for some fundamentally drastic anatomical metamorphosis. It also usually requires an exoskeleton. I'm not sure how an endoskeleton would react to half the major organs and muscle tissue liquifying. Hell, I'm not sure how a sentient mind would even survive with the original personality and memories intact!
Human adolescents are perfectly capable of undergoing fairly dramatic growth spurts over the course of just a few weeks of months. I could see Grogu just basically shooting up the extra 20cm he needs to get to about Yoda's height over the course of a year or two...or sooner since he does seem to eat a LOT for his size.
Human adolescents are perfectly capable of undergoing fairly dramatic growth spurts over the course of just a few weeks of months. I could see Grogu just basically shooting up the extra 20cm he needs to get to about Yoda's height over the course of a year or two...or sooner since he does seem to eat a LOT for his size.
Sure, but I’m not just thinking about size development but also intellectually. He doesn’t even seem to be able to frame words, much less complex sentences, outside of his telepathy. After 50 years, one would think he would have a greater language command, unless his species’ first language IS telepathy and all other spoken languages are extra.
Could possibly explain Yoda's speech patterns.
This is also a valid comparison.
It appears we can easily and conveniently give a 10 to 1 ratio to this species development based on what we know about Grogu and Yoda. Grogu is 50, and Yoda lived to about 900. So that could easily equal a 5 year old and 90 year old human.
That still leaves us with Grogu's lack of oral vocabulary. I like the suggestion that, perhaps, this species first language is telepathic. Verbal skills might be a secondary skill set and one that is hard to master for this species, so they end up talking like Yoda. Or Yoda is an aberration. Or both Yoda an Grogu are aberrations or somehow coincidentally suffer from speech impediments. Or, simply Grogu hasn't been worked with to develop these skills.
Trauma can affect the speech of children. The basic plot of The Who's rock opera, "Tommy" is that a young child witnesses a horrendous crime involving his father and step-father and, as a result is so psychologically scarred that the child cannot speak, hear, nor see. It's a psychological injury that manifested itself in a literal manner. Perhaps Grogu is like this. He's been through the removal from his parents home (possibly), then saw his adopted family and all the Jedi younglins slaughtered, lived through the Clone Wars and the Empire, has lived in hiding ever since the fall of the Jedi. If his life has been anything like we've seen these last two seasons, then Grogu has witnessed uncounted additional murders and physical assaults and other violent crimes. For someone the equivalent of a human 5-year-old, it's no wonder he could have a psychological scar that has hindered his speech development.
Language is learned behaviour. If you don't speak to a child, they can't speak back. After a few decades of isolation, he's bound to have certain learning difficulties. That said, he has been vocalising a lot more this season, so there may be progress yet.
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The language issue is an interesting point. I'd not though of it in those terms before, but Grogu has effectively been abandoned for what is apparently a sizeable portion of his life. He's lacking any kind of socialization, or education he would have received in that time. Particularly if he's been isolated and alone.
What a horrifying thought.
That really puts a different potential spin on things here. I wonder if the show will ever address any of his developmental issues at all, and provide any context for how they want viewers to be looking at things. Should we be thinking that Yoda's race goes from toddler to adolescent between roughly 50 and 100 years of age? I seem to recall it suggested that Yoda was already training other Jedi by age 100. Maybe he was just a prodigy, and came to mastery super early relative to his races development? Or should we be thinking about angles like this, where Grogu's development has been tragically stunted by his experiences?
Also, as an aside, I'm ashamed to admit I just now realized that this means both Din and Grogu were orphaned by the Clone Wars. I wonder if the series will make anything more of that parallel.
What a horrifying thought.
That really puts a different potential spin on things here. I wonder if the show will ever address any of his developmental issues at all, and provide any context for how they want viewers to be looking at things. Should we be thinking that Yoda's race goes from toddler to adolescent between roughly 50 and 100 years of age? I seem to recall it suggested that Yoda was already training other Jedi by age 100. Maybe he was just a prodigy, and came to mastery super early relative to his races development? Or should we be thinking about angles like this, where Grogu's development has been tragically stunted by his experiences?
Also, as an aside, I'm ashamed to admit I just now realized that this means both Din and Grogu were orphaned by the Clone Wars. I wonder if the series will make anything more of that parallel.
I think making any assumptions about Yoda's species growth and development based on either Yoda or Grogu is risky because neither had a normal childhood.
Pablo's job sounds both fun and incredibly stressful all at the same time.Yeah, ultimately they'll just do what works best for the story and let Pablo figure out how justify it after the fact in some tiny callout in the visual dictionary.
Damn. I really liked the Razor Crest. Much more so than Slave 1. Boba Fett was never really a character that I cared much for in the past, but I think I found him impressive tonight for the first time. Always nice to see Ming-Na Wen. The episode from guest director Robert Rodriguez came in at just under a half an hour.
I think because for people who only watch the live action stuff he's a joke character they felt the need to ram up his fighting abilities.
This episode was badass. 
As soon as the title came up (The Tragedy) I knew something bad was going to happen to Grogu. 
Damn, you Gideon!
It only took 40 years to see Boba Fett be bad ass instead of just wearing cool looking armor.
I’m glad to see Fennec Shand back. A one off appearance was a bit of a waste of Ming Na.
RIP the Razor Crest.
Damn, you Gideon!It only took 40 years to see Boba Fett be bad ass instead of just wearing cool looking armor.
I’m glad to see Fennec Shand back. A one off appearance was a bit of a waste of Ming Na.
RIP the Razor Crest.
Boba always had the skills. George just never bothered to show them(that's my head canon and I'm sticking to it 
). Being an unaltered clone of a skilled bounty hunter he was probably always possessing of above average physical and combat skills and when he was knocked into the Sarlacc Pit by Han Solo it was just a stroke of luck on Han's part(and not just because he was blind at the time).
Nice to see that Jango's chosen son has his father's mojo. Let's hope, though, that this Fett can keep his head.
). Being an unaltered clone of a skilled bounty hunter he was probably always possessing of above average physical and combat skills and when he was knocked into the Sarlacc Pit by Han Solo it was just a stroke of luck on Han's part(and not just because he was blind at the time).Nice to see that Jango's chosen son has his father's mojo. Let's hope, though, that this Fett can keep his head.
