Did you actually read the posts where I use real mathematics to demonstrate that's not the case?
The location of the wormhole in the Bajor system
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Did you actually read the posts where I use real mathematics to demonstrate that's not the case?
Like the one where you use Uranus as an example? Sure, try to build a house there.
Of course massive planets can have roughly the same gravity as earth but the conditions would not be suitable for human life at all.
A rocky planet with ten times earth's mass but 1g surface gravity would have a radius more than 3 times that of earth. The increased mass would lead to more internal pressure and the planet would be much more geologcially active and hotter with massive volcanic activity and most likely a much bigger atmosphere creating crushing pressure at the surface.
It would not be a lush world described as Eden, it would be hell.
Your idea of Bajor having ten times earth's mass is based on it having a moon with an earth like atmosphere but that is just evidence that the writers didn't know a lot about space or science in general, it's futile to try to make it make sense because it doesn't.
Childish laugh.
Same.Childish laugh.
Hmm.....a lot of contradictions here.
If bajor is a "Super Earth", then the gravvity must be much heavier than Earth's but there are no indications of that in some episodes. maybe most of the moons are very small.
However, you seem to have another opinion about ths, according to your previous posts.
All those posts to which you link contain numerous assumptions, but I think it fails a particular test.
Could a planet relatively close in size to Earth hold onto a satellite roughly the size of Titan?
Why does this matter? Titan is not significantly larger than the Moon, and has an atmosphere more dense than Earth's?
The difference is in distance from the sun—it’s colder so the atmosphere doesn’t have the energy to escape, as a thick atmosphere would on the moon. The issue of distance also gets to different compositions: the moon’s rocky, Titan’s rocky and icy—it has a much higher budget of ices, water as well as carbon dioxide and various hydrocarbons. In the inner solar system much of that sublimated away, so we have denser, rocky worlds, while in the colder, outer solar system we have less-dense, rock-ice worlds.
This could bring us to the question of a super-Earth Bajor. A less-dense Bajor’s certainly possible, especially if we resort to exotic Trek substances, but if we don’t a less-dense Bajor probably formed further out from the sun, which means it’s more enriched in ices, especially water, which means it’s trending away from a familiar terrestrial planet and more towards a water world or small Neptune. There’s actually a paper on my reading list about this—I have not given it a close read and I’ve not done any calculations based on some of the super-Earth Bajor posts linked to here, but I think it posits a much narrower realm of possibilities for a “relatably”-terrestrial-super-Bajor.
Personally I tend to think of Bajor as very Earth-like, where any difference in its density or composition are basically marginal—it’s how it’s Bajor’s usually depicted, and to me uridium ore looks like something that would come out of an ordinary terrestrial planet rather than something that would come out of, say, Sarjenka’s world.
I don’t think there’s any real way to make scientific sense of Jerrado. The whole geothermal-beaming power scheme doesn’t make much sense to me. I don’t think it’s necessarily Earth-sized—we don’t see lunar-level gravity when we’re in lunar mining tunnels in ENT, for instance. Jerrado’s described as only having a tiny population and only being settled recently, so it wouldn’t surprise me if Jerrado was uninhabitable tiny and only sustained by tapping that geothermal energy to make a zone with a constantly-replenished artificial breathable atmosphere. Memory Alpha says Lunar V is the same place as Jerrado, but the equivalence is never made in the episode; I don’t even remember if Lunar V is necessarily implied to be orbiting Bajor itself or another world.
Ultimately pretty much all we “know” about the Bajoran system either makes little scientific sense, comes from very slight sources, and often contradicts: “Progress,” which doesn’t make a ton of sense except as allegory for eminent domain and generally isn’t well-remembered (apparently even by thr writing staff), fleeting glimpses of background graphics, a couple of short asides in early season episodes. I’m sure the writers decided not to lock too many details down too early in an attempt to give themselves future flexibility, but the fact that we can’t even say with a ton of confidence which planet Bajor is does make me think they should have nailed some of the basics down. For our own sanity we’re lucky they concentrated more on what’s coming through the wormhole than what’s going on in the Bajoran solar system.
Like Venus?
Venus is something like 36 times Titan’s mass and about 2.8 times Titan’s density (all rock and metal, not roughly half-rock and half-ice)
In both cases, volcanic activity are related to the atmosphere. Closeness to the sun is not an issue.
All those assumptions are explained in those posts too. The fact is we know next to nothing about Bajor as a planet or its solar system, and the details we do have are vague and contradictory. So yes, assumptions have to be made.
But I don't believe Bajor can be relatively close in size to Earth, for reasons I explained in the other posts.
And that's explained very well by @Some Sort of Lemur. Of the ten largest moons in our solar system, only one of them has any appreciable form of atmosphere.
Tell that to Mercury.
I don't have to. The fact that large moons are capable to holding atmospheres and planets closer to the sun than earth is sufficient.
Those are great odds.
Such as...?
Please read the linked posts properly rather than just making assumptions about what they say. I explained why this is not necessarily the case.
Yes, I made assumptions that were explained concerning Bajor being composed out of unusual materials by working backwards from the idea that Bajor must be a super-Earth to have so many moons, at least one of which is large enough for habitation and has a dense atmosphere. Star Trek is full of magic ores and crystals with bizarre properties that don't exist in real life.
Fine, I'll rephrase it as "of the 891 confirmed natural satellites in our solar system, only one of them has any appreciable form of atmosphere".
As if there are 14 or 15 planets in the system and if Bajor is the 11th planet or the 7th as in the picture I linked to.
Yes, I've read it again and the explanations about the gravity. I guess that it can be as you describe it.
Which is true.
I don't want to argue with you about all this because you have a much better knowledge about gravity, large moons and such than I have. It's therefore I ask you about it!
But the nitpicker in me always truy to find logical reasons for things to be as they are in Star Trek.
Otherwise I simply dismiss them and come up with a more plausible theory, which my work on the Kes Website page named "Voyager Mysteries-and how to solve them" show.
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