The Little Girl and the Bleeding Obvious

[GabeHimself]

The little girl is

Spoiler: the little girl

River Song

It's the most obvious answer, which is how Moffat writes.

Was anyone surprised the Pandorica was a prison? Really? It was very obvious from the moment the Doctor described it 15 mins into The Pandorica Opens.

Was anyone surprised the Time Crack erased Amy's parents? Really? She lived in a large spooky house all alone and you never saw anyone.

Was anyone surprised the statues in Time of Angels were all Weeping Angels? Really?

The question should be what happens to the Ponds that River could grow up alone, away from her family in the way that she does. Which is where the drama is.

 

[chardman]

Not obvious at all. What's obvious is that it's the kid is the child that Amy may or may not be pregnant with. The Doctor's fate depends on whether Amy actually is pregnant or not. If the child gets born, the Doctor dies. If she doesn't get born, she can't very well show up in the spacesuit/exoskeleton to kill the Doctor, now can she?

 

[David cgc]

Assuming she was in the spacesuit. Considering that she'd busted out of it forty years earlier, I kind of doubt that.

 

[23skidoo]

I don't think it's her. Because for one thing she would have regenerated earlier. And for another if she was a Time Lord, the Doctor would have sensed it.

Personally I think a scenario similar to the Red Dwarf episode Ouroboros is more likely than the girl being you-know-who.

Alex

 

[Alidar Jarok]

There would also be a question of why she doesn't remember the events in question.

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

In "Day of the Moon, River wonders

Spoiler: if the

if the suit could move on it's own. So maybe it's the suit itself that kills the Doctor, not the girl.

Has there ever been any evidence

Spoiler: River

River is a Timelord? The little girl did regenerate, after all.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

First spoiler: Thought the same thing

Second spoiler: No, no indication at all.

Keep in mind:

Spoiler: Back to Silence in the Library

She did die without regenerating. Granted, she thought the Doctor would die too quickly and couldn't regenerate, so the same could be said for her. But it is an argument against

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Thanks for the info, Alidar.

Spoiler: Silence in the Library

That does make it seem unlikely that River is a Time Lord...unless her death in "Silence in the Library" was the death of her final regeneration...hmm...

Back to the little girl...I think I've figured it out.

Spoiler: Theory

In "The Impossible Astronaut", Future!Eleven had Canton bring gasoline to burn his body. River mentioned that many unsavory characters/races would kill to get their hands on Time Lord DNA. Evidently Future!Eleven was thinking the same thing.
In the trailers for Season 6, a scarred or deformed Doctor was visible for a few brief moments. IO9 suggested it was a clone of The Doctor.

At the end of "Day of The Moon", the little girl REGENERATES.

Last season, in "The Lodger", the primitive TARDIS was looking for an adequate pilot.
Who claims to be the only one who can fly the TARDIS? The Doctor - last of the Time Lords.
The Silence seem to have their own primitive TARDIS. Adding all of this together, my theory is that the Silence are trying to clone or create a Time Lord so they can get away from this worthless rock we call Earth. They've been here for thousands of years...but what if it wasn't by choice, and they've been stranded ever since? Now they want a pilot and they'll do anything to get it. Perhaps the little girl is the first of their experiments in Time Lord cloning, and the space suit is meant to keep her in control.

This is all speculation, of course...but I think it makes sense. What do you guys think?

 

[Kaijima]

Personally, I am of the view that:

Spoiler: Silence in the Library

River's normal death in SitL is a fake out in that it was a death a Time Lord couldn't regenerate from. Thus the possibility that she is a Time Lord is preserved.

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Personally, I am of the view that:

Spoiler: Silence in the Library

River's normal death in SitL is a fake out in that it was a death a Time Lord couldn't regenerate from. Thus the possibility that she is a Time Lord is preserved.

It's still plausible, then that

Spoiler: plausible

River is a Time Lady, the little girl is a Time Lady, and that the little girl is River Song. Maybe.

 

[MacLeod]

Not obvious at all. What's obvious is that it's the kid is the child that Amy may or may not be pregnant with. The Doctor's fate depends on whether Amy actually is pregnant or not. If the child gets born, the Doctor dies. If she doesn't get born, she can't very well show up in the spacesuit/exoskeleton to kill the Doctor, now can she?

Why not, to quote the doctor "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually—from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint—it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff."

She could have already fired the shot before leaving the suit.

 

[exalted one]

It's still plausible, then that

Spoiler: plausible

River is a Time Lady, the little girl is a Time Lady, and that the little girl is River Song. Maybe.

Wouldn't the Doctor know?

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

It's still plausible, then that

Spoiler: plausible

River is a Time Lady, the little girl is a Time Lady, and that the little girl is River Song. Maybe.

Wouldn't the Doctor know?

How?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Personally, I am of the view that:

Spoiler: Silence in the Library

River's normal death in SitL is a fake out in that it was a death a Time Lord couldn't regenerate from. Thus the possibility that she is a Time Lord is preserved.

Still,

Spoiler: Should we just give up the spoilers, we don't know anything

think about the Doctor's regeneration being interrupted. He still at least starts regenerating

 

[Tom]

It's still plausible, then that

Spoiler: plausible

River is a Time Lady, the little girl is a Time Lady, and that the little girl is River Song. Maybe.

Wouldn't the Doctor know?

How?

Well he was running the scanner on Amy the past 2 episodes, He could have easily run it on River if he was suspious if she were human or not. If she was a Timelady the Doctor would know, otherwise the Doctor look like the biggest idiot considering he has already had at least 4 on screen adventures with River, fans would never except the Doctor did not know. Unless she is FOB watch timelord like te master was but i highly doubt they will pull out that concept again.

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

That's a good point. Hmm...no, I don't think River is a Time Lady.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I don't think the little girl is a Time Lady either for that matter. I think there is some other twist involved with her.

 

[Deckerd]

I think it's the daughter who's already out there. Why complicate things? Oh hang on, I forget sometimes.

 

[Checkmate]

In "Day of the Moon, River wonders

Spoiler: if the

if the suit could move on it's own. So maybe it's the suit itself that kills the Doctor, not the girl.

No. The Doctor knew who was inside, and you could see the bottom of a face as she pulled the visor open.

Has there ever been any evidence

Spoiler: River

River is a Timelord? The little girl did regenerate, after all.

No. The whole point of the Doctor dying was to obvious give the little girl the ability to regenerate. It wasn't an execution, it was a willing sacrifice. He was even giving her instructions on how to do it properly.

Once again, it's all

Spoiler: synergy

The Doctor's last act was to give his wife -- whom he finally got to know during the 200 years between Doctors -- a chance to live. River and the Doctor's relationship is completely in reverse. Her last act was his first meeting, his last act was her first meeting. That's also why River had that look on her face when she kissed him at the end; she knew that because it was his first kiss, it was her last one.

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[Admiral_Young]

^ This is what I think the Doctor was doing in that scene too! I think this might be the first time you and I have been in complete agreement Checkmate, not that it matters.