The least disliked episode of ENT - Season Three

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  1. BlueStuff

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    This is a game that we play every few years, and it's generally a lot of fun, providing a chance to mentally revisit those episodes you may not have thought about in a while. With that in mind, why not play again?

    So, here's the game. The basic idea is your standard elimination game. I'll provide a list of the episodes for each season and you need to eliminate your least favorite or the one you deem the 'worst.' Please provide an EXPLANATION for why you are eliminating your choice and be sure to copy and paste the list with your choice removed. Finally, please leave at least 2 eliminations by other posters before you eliminate another episode.

    No tactical voting! You cannot remove an episode just because you feel they would threaten your preferred episode's chance to win.
    Pretty simple. Enjoy! :bolian:

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    2011 - United
    2013 - Azati Prime
    2017 - Azati Prime
    2019 -


    Season Three

    The Xindi
    Anomaly
    Extinction
    Rajiin
    Impulse
    Exile
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    North Star
    Similitude
    Carpenter Street
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Harbinger
    Doctor's Orders
    Hatchery
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten

    The Council
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  2. Farscape One

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    I am happy get rid of "NORTH STAR" first. I just never really liked the episode.


    The Xindi
    Anomaly
    Extinction
    Rajiin
    Impulse
    Exile
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Carpenter Street
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Harbinger
    Doctor's Orders
    Hatchery
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten

    The Council
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  3. BlueStuff

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    Extinction is, in a word, embarrassing.

    The Xindi
    Anomaly
    Rajiin
    Impulse
    Exile
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Carpenter Street
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Harbinger
    Doctor's Orders
    Hatchery
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten

    The Council
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  4. Seven of Five

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    I really dislike Carpenter Street. I find it hard to pay attention during this one.

    The Xindi
    Anomaly
    Rajiin
    Impulse
    Exile
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Harbinger
    Doctor's Orders
    Hatchery
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten

    The Council
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  5. Sakonna

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    I really dislike "Hatchery." It has such a promising Trek morality play set-up, and then just wastes it all with gimmicky plot devices. It's such a frustrating missed opportunity, it could have been so great.

    The Xindi
    Anomaly
    Rajiin
    Impulse
    Exile
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Harbinger
    Doctor's Orders
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten

    The Council
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  6. Discofan

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    I am not crazy about Rajiin. PLus it doesn't make sense, the reptiles could have blown up the ship like it was nothing but they chose to get their "spy" back and leave.

    The Xindi
    Anomaly
    Impulse
    Exile
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Harbinger
    Doctor's Orders
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten

    The Council
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  7. lurok

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    The Xindi
    Anomaly
    Impulse
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Harbinger
    Doctor's Orders
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten

    The Council
    Countdown
    Zero Hour

    Exile - unlike a couple of S3 off-arc episodes I still like and enjoy (*cough* Carpenter St/North Star), I don't think I've watched this in any re-runs. Felt stilted and awkward back then (weird B&B stockholm syndrome thing with Hoshi and alien) and doubt has changed
     
  8. Discofan

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    Plus it's a rip off of Voyager's "Alter Ego" with Hoshi as Tuvok.
     
  9. sekundant

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    May I ask what would you rather like to see?
     
  10. Discofan

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    Maybe if Archer's efforts to preserve the Hatchery had been recognized by the insectoids and helped turn the tide among the Xindi. Something like that.
     
  11. Seven of Five

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    Doctor's Orders is a strange one. They basically did it better on VOY when it was called One.

    The Xindi
    Anomaly
    Impulse
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Harbinger
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten

    The Council
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  12. Sakonna

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    Sure! Something that involved the characters making actual choices about what to do re: the hatchery. The episode as presented tilts so extreme, and just becomes another Trek episode where one of our characters falls under alien mind control, and then must be freed from it somehow.

    And don't get me wrong, I LOVE a Trek mind control/possession/etc episode. That's a favorite trope of mine. But it felt like a waste to open with such a compelling moral dilemma, and then resolve it with "NEVERMIND MIND CONTROL!" The setup of this one is just so tantalizing! I wanted the characters to authentically have conflicting views about what to do, and to struggle to decide on a course of action. By having Archer go soooooooooo crazy, they foreclosed those possibilities.

    Oh god, so true. "One" is a Voyager favorite of mine and I hate seeing a lousy copy of it, "Doctor's Orders" was going to be my next elimination. But instead it'll be "E²." I think this ep is terribly placed within the larger arc, just stops the momentum dead for this temporal tangent.

    Anomaly
    Impulse
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Harbinger
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten
    The Council
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
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  13. Discofan

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    "Impulse" aka "Zombie Vulcans". I don't like Zombies, Vulcan or otherwise. It's become such a cliché!!!

    The Xindi
    Anomaly
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Harbinger
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten
    The Council
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  14. sekundant

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    Fair point! Nevertheless, they let him go more than once over his moral boundaries at the Expanse, he became murder, torturer, marauder. Would it be believable, if he protects the life of some insectoid eggs? Well, why not if it is good written..

    The Xindi
    Anomaly
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Harbinger
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten
    Countdown
    Zero Hour

    I really like The Council, but they shouldn't kill Degra! :thumbdown:
     
  15. Farscape One

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    "HARBINGER" goes. The stuff with the Sphere Builder was okay, but everything else just felt wrong to me.

    The Xindi
    Anomaly
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  16. Seven of Five

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    The Xindi was a stagnant way to start the season of the exciting new direction.

    Anomaly
    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  17. Sakonna

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    "Anomaly" They really seemed to struggle with setting this all up initially, it felt a bit ridiculous just how many bizarre properties they gave the Expanse.

    The Shipment
    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  18. lurok

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    Having got rid of some favourite solo/off-arc episodes, 'The Shipment' . Not terrible but a perfunctory 'we'll set up for future episodes' story. Not a huge fan of 'Similitude' either, but it definitely has more dramatic heft than this episode.

    Twilight
    Similitude
    Chosen Realm
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  19. Discofan

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    "Chosen Realm" because I can't believe that sensitive information on the Enterprise's computer is so badly protected than any backward alien hick can just hack it and delete it. You're in the middle of a war zone and you don't put copies of your important info on some 22nd century equivalent of a hard drive stored in a safe place? Oh, come on!! Plus the guy seems pretty handy with the computer but somehow he missed the fact that transporters are meant to transport people not to kill them?

    Twilight
    Similitude
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten
    Countdown
    Zero Hour
     
  20. Seven of Five

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    Lots of strong episodes left now. I'll eliminate Zero Hour for the strange alien Nazi cliffhanger.

    Twilight
    Similitude
    Proving Ground
    Stratagem
    Azati Prime
    Damage
    The Forgotten
    Countdown