THE LAST SHIP Season 2 - discussion, spoilers and general mayhem

[Admiral2]

That chopper is way too big for the bay on the ship. Bad even for Voyager

It was just the size of the plot, or all the Navy could spare for the film crew

That's the correct chopper, unlike in star fleet, they don't fly it into the bay. They land, fold up the blades and slowly roll it in. It's about as tight as a car in a one car garage.

Thank you for beating me to it.

 

[Scout101]

Of course, the part you both tried to jump to correct me on was the obvious part that was never in doubt. My comments were all about size/length, not about the obvious fact that the rotors fold up or that it lands and gets towed into the bay...

Watching it land at speed or in rough seas using the cable and winch method is interesting to watch

 

[Admiral2]

Of course, the part you both tried to jump to correct me on was the obvious part that was never in doubt. My comments were all about size/length, not about the obvious fact that the rotors fold up or that it lands and gets towed into the bay...

Your exact words:

That chopper is way too big for the bay on the ship.

This implies a lack of understanding of how the object fit in the space. If you already knew that, there'd be no reason to post what you posted because it would never have occurred to you the chopper would be "way too big." You'd immediately understand the length of the thing and rotor dimensions wouldn't be a factor.

 

[Star Wolf]

Of course, the part you both tried to jump to correct me on was the obvious part that was never in doubt. My comments were all about size/length, not about the obvious fact that the rotors fold up or that it lands and gets towed into the bay...

Your exact words:

That chopper is way too big for the bay on the ship.

This implies a lack of understanding of how the object fit in the space. If you already knew that, there'd be no reason to post what you posted because it would never have occurred to you the chopper would be "way too big." You'd immediately understand the length of the thing and rotor dimensions wouldn't be a factor.

Or he assumed that there was a stretched model of the Blackhawk airframe?

 

[Admiral2]

Of course, the part you both tried to jump to correct me on was the obvious part that was never in doubt. My comments were all about size/length, not about the obvious fact that the rotors fold up or that it lands and gets towed into the bay...

Your exact words:

That chopper is way too big for the bay on the ship.

This implies a lack of understanding of how the object fit in the space. If you already knew that, there'd be no reason to post what you posted because it would never have occurred to you the chopper would be "way too big." You'd immediately understand the length of the thing and rotor dimensions wouldn't be a factor.

Or he assumed that there was a stretched model of the Blackhawk airframe?

Which would still break down to fit if the Navy used it just like every shipboard aircraft the Navy has bought since they started using monoplanes.

 

[Scout101]

Again, I understand that the rotors fold down, I've seen them plenty of times. I thought the body of the frigging helicopter looked too big compared to what I had seen. Hence me saying it looked too big. Quoted me, but I didn't see me mentioning the rotors anywhere. Never once questioned the width, it was the length of the helo that seemed questionable.

Genuinely asking, but how much of the tail section folds/comes off? I've only ever seen the rotors.

Which would still break down to fit if the Navy used it just like every shipboard aircraft the Navy has bought since they started using monoplanes.

We already established that they've been using different model helicopters due to availability and whatnot, so I guess I was questioning, in part if the one used here WAS, in fact, a shipboard helicopter. Surely not everything that flies since the advent of a monoplane was designed to fit in the hanger bay of a Destroyer. At first glance, this looked big. I already withdrew the comment, but you're maintaining the attitude...

 

[Scout101]

Of course, the part you both tried to jump to correct me on was the obvious part that was never in doubt. My comments were all about size/length, not about the obvious fact that the rotors fold up or that it lands and gets towed into the bay...

Your exact words:

That chopper is way too big for the bay on the ship.

This implies a lack of understanding of how the object fit in the space. If you already knew that, there'd be no reason to post what you posted because it would never have occurred to you the chopper would be "way too big." You'd immediately understand the length of the thing and rotor dimensions wouldn't be a factor.

I'm curious at this point, but what's your DDG experience? Curious to see if I'm arguing with a movie fanatic or an experienced DDG crewman. I've already established that I've seen and/or been aboard plenty of these ships (while never having served, admittedly). Most recently aboard the Michael Murphy, if that helps...

In general, though, it would help if you dropped the attitude and stopped treating me and others like idiots. I'm enjoying the show and discussing things, but you're taking some of the fun out of it...

 

[sojourner]

Sorry, but your initial post about this was short and compared the DDG to Voyager. It made it read like you weren't familiar with the real thing.

 

[Scout101]

I could dig through the thread, but laid out several times that I'd seen more than my fair share of these things for a civilian. Made the VOY comment as a joke based on how many threads there have been about how they managed to store everything but a super-star destroyer in their shuttle bay, Delta Flyer was too big for the model, etc.

Thought the rotor part was obvious, just thought the helicopter looked too long for the bay. No idea if/how much of the tail comes apart quickly/folds up. As I said, seen plenty, but never served to know it at that level of detail. Did go for a couple hour cruise on one once, forget which hull...

Edit: my issue isn't really with you anyway

 

[J.T.B.]

That's the correct chopper,[...]

Here's how we can further split hairs: The helo ("chopper" is not popular in the navy) that picked them up was an S-model from the HSC-8 Eightballers out of San Diego, which I believe deploys with carrier wings. Other times they've shown an R-model, which would be correct for a DDG detachment. In this episode, they cut from a Romeo to a Sierra when it was landing on Nathan James. The spotting giveaway is the laser/sensor "turret" on the nose for the Romeo.

But, really, close enough for me and not the worst offense the show has committed.

 

[Guy Gardener]

For that to be the wrong chopper on the right ship, the production crew would have had to have brought their own helicopter, and I assume that that would not have gone down well with the Navy.

Hmmmm.

Methinks that the Navy does as much cool shit as it is allowed when the production crew visits for the week or so when they to use the real ship, but unless the full season is already written and tight, the Navy is randomly giving the producers a mass of "effects" that the TV how didn't specifically ask for, which means that future episodes are written around the "effects" they were given while filing on the Navy's time, and not because the writers writing this garbage are pushing the envelope.

I would love it if Bill Murray was still alive in this apocalypse too.

 

[lurok]

That kitchen melee was brutal but well-shot.

Still can't stand the bad sub guys though. Their strangled mockney really grates. And there would doubtless be a broader range of (more interesting) Brit accents on a UK sub anyway.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm looking at all the people who are immune buying this #### about the immunity religion, and I'm thinking that one of the qualifiers for immunity must be having an IQ under 80.

Yeah.

They all have the same accent.

Funny that.

 

[Scout101]

Selectees for any new cult usually aren't going to pop the IQ chart, or they've got some other serious issues. Then again, watching 19 out of every 20 people in the world die will probably mess you up and have you looking for something to believe in, no matter how stupid.

 

[FPAlpha]

Didn't like this episode much for screenplay issues.

It is still one of the worst undercover operations i ever saw (they stuck out like a sore thumb with their seriousness in a crowd full of cheering people, Chandler was particularly bad) and the villains were so incompetent to trust a complete stranger whom they just met with bodyguard duty for one of their most high profile assets.

Then again the Stormtrooper vs US Elite gunfight at the field.. they are attacked by more than twice their numbers yet are not even grazed by a bullet while having no cover at all.

Why didn't the Nathan James engage the sonar contact? They kept running away when it was their stated mission goal to eliminate it?

About the only good thing was the kitchen fight.. well shot and choreographed, especially that Israeli commando was badass (still extremely bad at remembering names).

And i called it out before it happened.. she only distracted him to fix his nose (but still sexy as hell and i feel there'll be more development in later seasons).

 

[Gaith]

Anyone else not particularly care about the helo? I'm much more interested in seeing Dr. Scott reunite with her old acquaintance.

Then again the Stormtrooper vs US Elite gunfight at the field.. they are attacked by more than twice their numbers yet are not even grazed by a bullet while having no cover at all.

Aim is everything. Our heroes were on bended knee, stationary, taking careful shots; the baddies were running around and flailing.

And he is the legitimate President, even Chandler himself confirmed that. Though I wonder if it matters that he hasn't yet been officially sworn in?

The ship should have a legal officer to point that out...

So it would seem the President really is one of Sean's followers and his hesitant body language is really just a result of him not being comfortable in a leadership role in front of a crowd. And he really doesn't seem pleased to be aboard the Nathan James. I wonder how that's going to play out. Chances are, the crew's going to learn who he is, and I imagine that despite their devoted loyalty to Chandler, a few are not going to go along with forcibly holding the legitimate President against his will.

Oh, hell no, especially not after what they've been through. They'd sooner swear loyalty to their CO as a rightful Roman Republic-style emergency (and theoretically temporary) dictator of the whole country than take orders from some brainwashed dirtbag bureaucrat.

 

[The Wormhole]

Oh, hell no, especially not after what they've been through. They'd sooner swear loyalty to their CO as a rightful Roman Republic-style emergency (and theoretically temporary) dictator of the whole country than take orders from some brainwashed dirtbag bureaucrat.

I was thinking along the lines of there seems to be some crew rotation when they were at Norfolk. We've seen this with the additions of Ravit and Wolfman. Who is to say there weren't others? We do know that there were some crew who chose to stay behind, this combined with those killed throughout season 1 and the season 2 premiere would leave a few vacancies aboard Nathan James, and since I haven't heard anything about personnel shortages, I'll assume they took on a few more newbies from Norfolk as well. These guys haven't been through what the rest of the Nathan James crew has, and the fact that Michener is the legitimate politician in line to assume the Presidency (as confirmed by Chandler) might sow doubt in their mind.

 

[Gaith]

^ Even if they have taken a few extra Sailors on, I imagine knowing the new guy was part of a murderous cult with strings being pulled by a psychotic foreigner would put any potential sympathies they might have to rest.

Besides, military members tend not to be too keen on pols in the first place, especially non-vets; the vagaries of government are pretty much the polar opposite of the services' "get it done, do as you're told" mentality. Chandler has nothing to worry about, least of all on his own dang ship.

 

[Vendikarr]

I am waiting for Sean to get his band of merry men up to Norfolk, after learning that Chandler has family there. Given how the country has fallen apart, Norfolk would probably be considered the nation's capital and the Nathan James needs to defend it.

And why do I get the feeling a season 3 will revolve around reuniting the country after it breaks into regional governments, ala Jericho.

 

[sojourner]

To keep it based on the premise, (the last ship) I would guess they'll stick to the coastal states.