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Still, Bill didn't seem to be very welcoming. Someone's pointing a gun at you you don't roll the die, because a 1 is looming.
 
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Still, Bill did seem to be very welcoming. Someone's pointing a gun at you you don't roll the die, because a 1 is looming.

I think Bill wanted some company, only the most extreme recluses with mental problems want to be alone forever. He was arguing with himself but decided what the hell - it was Frank's disarming character and the desire to have company. The rest happened because Frank is a to the core decent guy who happened to break through Bill's shell.
 
Still, Bill didn't seem to be very welcoming. Someone's pointing a gun at you you don't roll the die, because a 1 is looming.

Sometimes story means you need a character to do something they logical wouldn't do under normal situations. I think he let him in because of Arby's joke. That was a hint that he had a sense of humor still and thus has retained his humanity and was not some hardass person who would do him harm.
 
So who would have turned inside the first day? Assuming it was flour/wheat and... it... infected... the whole world on the first day? ... (?!?) Or inside the first week it seems, would you have been infected? Do you have enough fresh/new/recent starch-based product and consume it often enough to have been impacted?

Me... My starch eating is high but depending on how "recent" your contamination source is I don't think I'd be infected but.... Yeah. Probably so.
 
So who would have turned inside the first day? Assuming it was flour/wheat and... it... infected... the whole world on the first day? ... (?!?) Or inside the first week it seems, would you have been infected? Do you have enough fresh/new/recent starch-based product and consume it often enough to have been impacted?

Me... My starch eating is high but depending on how "recent" your contamination source is I don't think I'd be infected but.... Yeah. Probably so.

For me unlikely but not impossible. We tend to keep a stock of 3-4 kg of flour and when we open the last kilo we make a note to get more with the next groceries run. So depending how long that last kilo lasts ( we don't use that much, we don't bake bread and we kinda laid off of cookies and cakes) it would have had come from a different source, a bakery most likely, and that's rolling the dice.

I also don't buy that whole one day worldwide outbreak, i.e. when you look at it through a realism glass. As we sadly all know now that's not how pandemics work, the buildup is rather slow but gains speed exponentially if it's not squashed immediately at the source. Here ground zero seems to be the flour mill in Jakarta and they only pinpointed it after it was too late, even with the drastic measures they used. They might have gotten all the infected in Jakarta but the flour must have been shipped throughout at least Asia, if not the world, and then it was all over. I wonder why they kept this and didn't make it more realistic, i.e. a gradual buildup until the Cordyceps started taking over bodies here and there.

One infected is enough if it bites 2-3 people and if those again bite 2-3, you get the picture.

It's a very small gripe but fun to discuss, can't wait for the next episode.
 
I think they kept the one day worldwide breakout, because for Sarah's death to happen the way it did, the outbreak needed to be a sudden shocking all at once event that caught everybody completely off guard.
I finally watched the episode this morning and I can see why everyone loves it so much. The biggest thing was the absolutely fantastic performances from Nick Offerman and Maury Barltett. They really did a great job of creating a showing the buildup of the relation over the years. The end was heartbreaking, and it really gave us a bit of character development for Joel.
I'm very curious to see next week's since it's going to be a completely new story with new characters.
After seeing what they did with Bill and Frank, there's one particularly nasty group from the game that I'm very curious how they're going to handle.
 
I think the only thing I would have changed is to do this episode more into the later part of the season and introduce Bill early on and have him do a couple of episodes before we see the flashback/love story.
I doubt there's enough room in the overall story for what you suggest. The entire season is Nine episodes long. To devote two or three to this one aspect and the character wouldn't really work. I think they did very well with what they presented. The audience got to know both characters very well; and there was a good emotional payoff in the end.
 
Still, Bill didn't seem to be very welcoming. Someone's pointing a gun at you you don't roll the die, because a 1 is looming.

He was a survivalist who watched the government murder his neighbors, knowing raiders and slavers are out there. Trust is understandably hard for him.

Also felt like alternate universe Ron Swanson.

Loved that one line “You think 9/11 is an inside job, the government are all Nazis.” “The government are all Nazis!” “Yeah but they weren’t back then!”
 
He was a survivalist who watched the government murder his neighbors, knowing raiders and slavers are out there. Trust is understandably hard for him.

Also felt like alternate universe Ron Swanson.

Loved that one line “You think 9/11 is an inside job, the government are all Nazis.” “The government are all Nazis!” “Yeah but they weren’t back then!”

If inside of a few weeks they were slaughtering people in creek beds because there was nowhere else to place them.... They were always "Nazis."
 
If inside of a few weeks they were slaughtering people in creek beds because there was nowhere else to place them.... They were always "Nazis."

We are constantly only a few days away from anarchy and chaos.

It's a very old assumption that if regular services would break down suddenly, i.e. food deliveries to grocery shops and supermarkets, electricity, water etc. otherwise regular and decent people would go into survival mode and do things they would never have thought they needed to do. Just look at how quickly people begin too loot TVs and other expensive stuff and now imagine you won't know when and if basics like canned food, flour, drugs etc will ever be delivered again and you can't wait because your home stock barely lasts a week ( which is normal when everything works).

And that's exactly what happens within each apocalyptic world like in Walking Dead, Mad Max and here. It would be "natural selection" at its worst and only the most cunning or the most brutal ( and maybe a few Lucky) would make it through this chaos until the dust settles and the new status quo is established.
 
We are constantly only a few days away from anarchy and chaos.

It's a very old assumption that if regular services would break down suddenly, i.e. food deliveries to grocery shops and supermarkets, electricity, water etc. otherwise regular and decent people would go into survival mode and do things they would never have thought they needed to do. Just look at how quickly people begin too loot TVs and other expensive stuff and now imagine you won't know when and if basics like canned food, flour, drugs etc will ever be delivered again and you can't wait because your home stock barely lasts a week ( which is normal when everything works).

And that's exactly what happens within each apocalyptic world like in Walking Dead, Mad Max and here. It would be "natural selection" at its worst and only the most cunning or the most brutal ( and maybe a few Lucky) would make it through this chaos until the dust settles and the new status quo is established.
I believe the actual quote is:

"We are three meals away from Anarchy..."
 
We are constantly only a few days away from anarchy and chaos.

It's a very old assumption that if regular services would break down suddenly, i.e. food deliveries to grocery shops and supermarkets, electricity, water etc. otherwise regular and decent people would go into survival mode and do things they would never have thought they needed to do. Just look at how quickly people begin too loot TVs and other expensive stuff and now imagine you won't know when and if basics like canned food, flour, drugs etc will ever be delivered again and you can't wait because your home stock barely lasts a week ( which is normal when everything works).

And that's exactly what happens within each apocalyptic world like in Walking Dead, Mad Max and here. It would be "natural selection" at its worst and only the most cunning or the most brutal ( and maybe a few Lucky) would make it through this chaos until the dust settles and the new status quo is established.
And yet... think of Hurricane Sandy and how people helped each other. There's a book called Hope In The Dark that shows how people have pulled together over and over again through recent history.
 
I've heard many variations of this - three meals, three days, a week etc. It all basically says the same and i fully believe it to be true.
Fun fact: some of the real world inspiration for the 'Mad Max' franchise (the go-to for modern post-apocalyptic tropes and imagery) were incidents around the time of the 1973 oil crisis, which saw fights breaking out and literal shots fired at the fuel pump (digest the safety implications of that sentence for a second) after just a few days into a shortage.

Civilization is terrifyingly fragile. Anyone that hasn't cottoned on to that yet clearly hasn't been paying much attention these last few years (or is in a serious state of denial.)
 
Look what happens when a big storm is about to hit. The shelves are emptied with whatever people think they will need. Not to mention the toilet paper run during the early days of the pandemic. Propelled by social and traditional media, people lose their shit because they think society is collapsing.
 
Look what happens when a big storm is about to hit. The shelves are emptied with whatever people think they will need. Not to mention the toilet paper run during the early days of the pandemic. Propelled by social and traditional media, people lose their shit because they think society is collapsing.

Working in a grocery store, yeah a snowstorm brings end of the world thinking. An actual pandemic? Chaos.
 
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