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The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?

I actually agree with all of that.. it could be any of those things. And my own bias might have clouded my post.. I honestly still hold to my opinions, but we won't know until about three years from now.. after the current trilogy is in the rear view mirror and we can see what the attendance is at the park or how the modify it
 
I personally would have loved a celebration of All star wars there. I remember Disney once had this Hitchcock show that told you about the breakthroughs his films have made. I think a similar theatrical show at GE about the advancements SW has made (green screen, production design, location photography, model work, stop motion, motion control, sound design music) that the original films had basically made on the film culture would be a great thing for people to see.. and since no matter how you cut it all SW is rooted by the lynchpin of the OT, you might as well get people fascinated by those films again.. (it's hard when they can CGI an asteroid field and 17 year olds will be more impressed with that then the chase in ESB) I think GE is a perfect place to use nostalgia in the correct way
 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
I personally would have loved a celebration of All star wars there. I remember Disney once had this Hitchcock show that told you about the breakthroughs his films have made. I think a similar theatrical show at GE about the advancements SW has made (green screen, production design, location photography, model work, stop motion, motion control, sound design music) that the original films had basically made on the film culture would be a great thing for people to see.. and since no matter how you cut it all SW is rooted by the lynchpin of the OT, you might as well get people fascinated by those films again.. (it's hard when they can CGI an asteroid field and 17 year olds will be more impressed with that then the chase in ESB) I think GE is a perfect place to use nostalgia in the correct way
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That sounds far more like a museum exhibit than a theme park. Don't get me wrong, it'd be cool, just not something I would truly want to spend $100+ per person to see.
 
Campe98 said:
That sounds far more like a museum exhibit than a theme park. Don't get me wrong, it'd be cool, just not something I would truly want to spend $100+ per person to see.
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My thoughts as well.

And my question still remains why GE's performance matters? I don't recall caring about how Star Tours did...:shrug:
 
I';m just saying it would be one element of the park.. a walk in theater.. every theme park has such a thing at Disney. There is the universe of energy at Epcot (is that still there).. so this show would not only be a cool thing but could help disperse the lines at the rides
 
the reason GE matters is that it is "canon" as absurd as it sounds. it's based on a planet that literally lives in the world of the sequel trilogy. They even have books about the black spire outpost and the Vi character. But if it can be demonstrated (and in my opinion it has been.. but in many of yours it has not, and I think it will be a few years before we know for sure, to be fair) that hard core fans are not interested in the sequels and their story and that younger people are more into Marvel.. the idea of How GE performs is VERY MUCH a measuring rod for the state of SW and the sequels . By comparison, SW was one ride and few cool things just outside the ride ..
 
I disagree. As demonstrated upthread a ticket is prohibitively expensive. Canon status or not, disposable income on such an attraction is going to impact performance.
 
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I agree with @fireproof78 who is agreeing with my initial post. It’s a circle of agreement. ;)

Seriously though, the general public doesn’t care what period the attraction takes place in. Its something that the bigger fans would care about. A lot of these families come to Disney Parks because their kids want to see this stuff. Kids don’t care if this is for the OT, PT or ST. They just want to see some Star Wars! Or Marvel! Or Mickey and Minnie! And a price increase will affect the ability of most middle class families to come to the parks. It’s simple economics.

Ultimately, the die hards? You and I? We’re not the ones they care about.
 
Campe98 said:
I agree with @fireproof78 who is agreeing with my initial post. It’s a circle of agreement. ;)

Seriously though, the general public doesn’t care what period the attraction takes place in. Its something that the bigger fans would care about. A lot of these families come to Disney Parks because their kids want to see this stuff. Kids don’t care if this is for the OT, PT or ST. They just want to see some Star Wars! Or Marvel! Or Mickey and Minnie! And a price increase will affect the ability of most middle class families to come to the parks. It’s simple economics.

Ultimately, the die hards? You and I? We’re not the ones they care about.
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No! Not the circle of agreement!

I say this as someone who traveled 5 hours to Seattle to see the Star Wars exhibit-price is a factor. My friends and I (been SW fans since middle school and friends for just as long) sat down and did the math for us to take our families (our daughters love Rey and BB-8 and other ST characters) to go. Easily 5k for one of our families of four. To call that prohibitive is an understatement.

So, I find it very hard to believe (if nearly impossible) that Galaxy's Edge's performance can be an indication of success or failure of the ST as a whole. It's too much of a niche market (theme parks being niche, SW being niche, SW theme park extremely niche) and too limited in accessibility.

Contrast that with the box office, where movies are far more accessible, widely distributed, and more affordable (generally speaking).

Sorry, GE is not a benchmark that I can see for ST success or failure or whatnot. It's simply too narrow.

Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
that younger people are more into Marvel
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Good for them. The older SW fans I know (my dad, my friends who are in their 30s) are in to SW. But, even my dad, who saw ROTJ 8 times, wasn't in to theme parks. It's not a simple matter of interest. It's also the type of attraction, the cost, and accessibility.

This is all trying to make it in to a black and white metric, when there are several factors at play.

I think the longer viability of the SW franchise is imply the fact that Disney will continue to produce those films. When they stop then I'll be like, "Hm, what's going on?" Until then, I am not going to worry about factors of the franchise I cannot control.
 
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If our little guy was 3-7 where we'd actually have to pay for a ticket and he might not appreciate it? Well, we wouldn't even consider going.
 
~$200 for a custom lightsaber is pretty good. Its metal, has lights and sound. You'd get about as much from say Ultrasabers or Saberforge for that much. The Disney's Savi Sabers are slightly more fragile due to them using LED strips in the blade rather than a powerful led source in the hilt, but that's mainly only an issue if you plan to actually duel with the thing. But they have good weathering, and you get the experience of finding and making it yourself (rather than picking a look and buying it online like you would for other custom lightsabers). And $200 is on the lower end for a metal one with lights and sound. $500+ for the ones with heavy customization sound and light options, and even higher for custom-special built unique hilts. Upwards of $5,000 for some of the really good crafters, and a very long lead time for production.
 
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Oh god, yeah, they were showing off the FastPasses and concierge service and all of that. It was a little ridiculous. I mean, the one day we saw easily would have been thousands of dollars.
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Someone actually wrote up an article on how much the Johnsons' Disney World trip would have been and the price was pretty astronomical.

Also absurd given the running storyline that season about Bow leaving work to raise the new baby and them having to tighten their belts a little as a result.
 
Ithekro said:
~$200 for a custom lightsaber is pretty good. Its metal, has lights and sound. You'd get about as much from say Ultrasabers or Saberforge for that much. The Disney's Savi Sabers are slightly more fragile due to them using LED strips in the blade rather than a powerful led source in the hilt, but that's mainly only an issue if you plan to actually duel with the thing. But they have good weathering, and you get the experience of finding and making it yourself (rather than picking a look and buying it online like you would for other custom lightsabers). And $200 is on the lower end for a metal one with lights and sound. $500+ for the ones with heavy customization sound and light options, and even higher for custom-special built unique hilts. Upwards of $5,000 for some of the really good crafters, and a very long lead time for production.
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There's a great youtube video where some guy was testing the strength of his Savi's lightsaber.

You can break it (of course) - but you have to REALLY try.
 
Campe98 said:
If our little guy was 3-7 where we'd actually have to pay for a ticket and he might not appreciate it? Well, we wouldn't even consider going.
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Based on my experience, both personal (as a kid that age) and having witness other kids of similar ages, I think 4-years-old is a good place to start for a Disney parks trip. It's certainly not a "waste" and a kid that age will absolutely appreciate and enjoy it.
 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
GE is making the wrong kinds of headlines today
What they don't realize is that it's not Powell's fault/... idk know for sure.. but I can't think of anything Powell could have done that would have caused this.. they could make up something up I guess.
But apparently when the park was in development, Iger saw a few TFA dailies and thought that look so much like SW and instead of incorporating all of SW into his park, he just decided to make it about his trilogy. I think that was a mistake. If the new trilogy was more engrossing.. and measurably more loved by fans, then it was a nifty idea.. but I think that this was a bad move. My opinion.. not stating it as fact. O P I N I O N.
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If anything, it's her boss, Bob Chapek's, fault, as he cut many of the planned extra features of the park, like additional characters, stunt shows, etc. The park is supposed to have a lot more "life" to it.

Even though I enjoyed my trip to GE, I definitely felt this was the case. I was disheartened when I later learned about all the additional planned features that were not (yet???) implemented.
 
Also keep in mind in this discussion that Hollywood Studios DOES celebrate all Star Wars, just not in Galaxy's Edge. Star Tours is still going strong and takes you to planets all throughout the Canon, with cameos from C3P0, R2, Vader and I'm sure others (I've only seen a few of the 18 possible destinations in the ride). It takes you to Hoth, a Star Destroyer, Tatooine, Kashyyyk, Jakuu, the Death Star run, Naboo, Geonosis, Crait among others. The queue is a trivia treasure trove from the franchises history. So to say that they do not celebrate the whole of Star Wars is just incorrect. That is just not the story they are telling specifically in Galaxy's Edge.

Not to mention the Trials of the Temple live show which happens right next to Star Tours and stars Vader as it's main bad guy as kids learn to be Jedi warriors.
 
Crewman6 said:
If anything, it's her boss, Bob Chapek's, fault, as he cut many of the planned extra features of the park, like additional characters, stunt shows, etc. The park is supposed to have a lot more "life" to it.

Even though I enjoyed my trip to GE, I definitely felt this was the case. I was disheartened when I later learned about all the additional planned features that were not (yet???) implemented.
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The "living" droids that were supposed to be walking around were a big loss. :(
 
EnderAKH said:
Also keep in mind in this discussion that Hollywood Studios DOES celebrate all Star Wars, just not in Galaxy's Edge. Star Tours is still going strong and takes you to planets all throughout the Canon, with cameos from C3P0, R2, Vader and I'm sure others (I've only seen a few of the 18 possible destinations in the ride). It takes you to Hoth, a Star Destroyer, Tatooine, Kashyyyk, Jakuu, the Death Star run, Naboo, Geonosis, Crait among others. The queue is a trivia treasure trove from the franchises history. So to say that they do not celebrate the whole of Star Wars is just incorrect. That is just not the story they are telling specifically in Galaxy's Edge.
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Excellent point. I think there is a lot more to GE than just the headlines and YT would lead us to believe.
 
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