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The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?
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It could happen, at least for me.
I actually loved the movie the first time I saw it, but if you want to know which parts many people despise, a quick Google search will show you, in far greater detail than you ever wanted.
I've done that. Those are not the parts that bother me, so it's easy for me to forget. Also, I don't trust Google.
Not me, and not millions of other people. Star Wars is still REALLY REALLY popular. In fact, I'd say "sequel to TLJ" might be people's first "I will never see it in theaters" Star Wars movie criteria.
As I said above: If word of mouth were that bad, many of the more casual fans would just not go. I'm not a casual fan.
Of course I'm going to go. (That's not even all of my Star Wars stuff.)
The "Poe call" is an important part of the premise for Poe's redemption. Having prank-called Hux in the beginning as a distraction to help set up his attack on the Dreadnought, Poe is prepared to realize Luke's goal on Crait: to distract Kylo Ren. Poe's redemption comes from seeing that saving lives is a much more worthwhile end to fight for than taking out a capital ship that is not even actually critical to the First Order's campaign.
That movie is basically a disgrace because it makes no sense at all. It takes the character of Luke Skywalker and rewrites it to not fit at all to the rest of the saga.
The hypocrisy of those that say "times change" is that they fixate to something that exists to milk an old saga by ruining it with a bad rewrite.
If you truly want "new", stop being fixated to an old saga and find a new franchise to follow, don't turn another one nonsensical.
The hypocrisy of those that say "times change" is that they fixate to something that exists to milk an old saga by ruining it with a bad rewrite.
If you truly want "new", stop being fixated to an old saga and find a new franchise to follow, don't turn another one nonsensical.
No. It takes fans’ preconceived notions of what they believe are the truisms about Luke Skywalker’s character and puts a new spin on it. I have no idea how old you are but are you the same person you were 5 years ago? 10? 20? I sure am not. I’ve changed. Evolved. Some ways for the better. Some not so much.
I’ve suggested before that a lot of fans who don’t like what happened in TLJ don’t seem to understand the idea that “happily ever after” is just for the fairy tales. In real life, it’s more happily ever... for awhile.
Even the old EU had a lot of shit happen over the years to our heroes. They loved and lost. They lost big. The only reason one or all of the big three didn’t die off or show any kind of development like that was to try to capitalize on them. That is literally the only reason. Because if you were to add even the slightest bit of realism to that, those three would have either died or retired well before that series ended.
Count me out then.
I'm not saying it isn't important. I recognize that it isn't important. It's just not a scene that I go "That was smooth..." It needed something.
Luke meme: Amazing. Every word you just said is wrong.
Agreed.
1) There are a LOT of non-casual Star Wars fans who will see a mainline movie no matter what.As I said above: If word of mouth were that bad, many of the more casual fans would just not go. I'm not a casual fan.
Of course I'm going to go. (That's not even all of my Star Wars stuff.)
2) The initial word of mouth was good (which was also the case with the PT other than TPM)
Hmmm... I sure recall there being mixed reactions around these parts and others. And even if there were a lot of non-casual fan who’d see the movie no matter what, I’d need some actual empirical evidence showing that they “widely hated” it. That hasn’t happened yet.
Weak, lazy cop-out.
Well, that's why there is a thread asking about it.
I agree with you, but I enjoy playing devil's advocate, so... my question is: does a series about space wizards and ultimate escapism for many people need a heavy dose of realism to remind people that life actually sucks?
A thread like this might provide conjectural evidence, but it will not produce empirical evidence.
As I've said from the beginning, I don't disagree that TLJ is divisive. I don't disagree that there are some fans who have reasonable issues with the film. But I can't for one second suggest that while there is a group of fans out there that feel that way, there's really no way at this time to indicate that its "widely hated." I have a three month old and am pretty tired and in the midst of a masters class that I should be paying attention to, so unless pressed I don't have time to do the math (don't think I won't if I'm asked) but when considering the percentage of individuals in the world who saw The Last Jedi and then the percentage of those people who hated the movie and then the percentage of those people who actually speak about it regularly on the internet is pretty small and would take the time to vote on Rotten Tomatoes or whatever? Come on. Those are the die hards. And there's not that many of them.
*shrugs* It's always darkest before the dawn. I don't have a problem with telling that story.
Need? No. But, it is an extension of the themes of, well, ESB, if you like. You can look at it from a highly mythological or Shakespearian tone, the idea of Luke taking another step in to the larger world, and facing down evil in a more personal way. He also loses a bit of innocence when he finds out who his father is, finding out his mentors lied to him.
The PT, for all its faults, move forward with such themes, introducing shades of gray within the characters, including efforts with Anakin, and Padme. The Jedi certainly do not come out looking like white hat characters of the old west, and flawless good guys. Lucas endeavored to make his "future" (yes, it's in the past) look grounded. At some point that will include the characters, and them going through heart break.
It's not just a matter of realism. It's a matter of having individuals who go through incredible struggles to move in to incredible triumphs.
And even all the way back in 1977 where you have your hero who in his first adventure loses the only family he's ever known, his best friend and his mentor, he achieves greatness, that is exactly what Star Wars is all about.
And he comes out of it just fine, whiny but happy as ever.
"Widely" is a so-called weasel word. It suggests an extensive amount, but it does not nail down either how much or especially how much relative to the rest. It's sometimes used when the term "most" would apply, whereas other times it's used when "most" does not.
So, it's really hard to have an extended conversation about whether something is "widely hated," because inevitably there will be differences of opinion regarding what constitutes whether the judgment is widely held.
So, it's really hard to have an extended conversation about whether something is "widely hated," because inevitably there will be differences of opinion regarding what constitutes whether the judgment is widely held.