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The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?

crookeddy said:
So what's the connection
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Sigh. The joke’s not funny when you have to explain it.

Fine.

The link basically posits a conspiracy theory about why Disney Star Wars is “failing.” They’re basically basing it on one individual who was the head of the Story Group. She either left or was fired for reasons unknown. According to this, what I generously call, article suggests is that Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy we’re so annoyed with this woman that she was fired and she caused the downfall of Galaxy’s Edge because it focuses on the sequels and that she hates George Lucas Star Wars (despite the fact that she had a big part to do with Rebels which has more than a few connections with the original trilogy) and that she may have been responsible for Hitler (kidding!)

In other words: Don’t believe everything you read.
 
crookeddy said:
So what's the connection
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My initial reaction post commented that it came across as a conspiracy theory style writing, relying on innuendo and a shadowy cabal running Disney.

The joke is that you need to adjust your tinfoil hat to understand the article.
 
Yeah yeah I got it I got it. I just wasn't sure if you were calling me a conspiracy theorist or the article a conspiracy. Makes sense actually. Sorry I was so confused lol
 
suarezguy said:
So that it's not perceived to be just for (little) kids but accessible to everyone.
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That's the point I was making. Star Wars was intended to be accessible to everyone. IMO, "It's a movie for kids!" is not a reasonable defense when a SW movie is criticized.
 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
Still trying to figure out what the new trilogy is about
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Passing the torch to the next generation of Force users and conventional heroes, who don't have to be part of some Jedi or political dynasty or wealthy and connected, and who don't have to conform to outdated rules and traditions like those that made the Jedi and the Republic (both old and new) become too rigid and fail.

Whereas the message of the previous original and prequel trilogies is that the Chosen One can make a difference, the message of the sequel trilogy is that Any One can make a difference. Though it helps to be a powerful Force user obviously. ;)

Of course, that all depends on what happens in The Rise of Skywalker.
 
Locutus of Bored said:
Passing the torch to the next generation of Force users and conventional heroes, who don't have to be part of some Jedi or political dynasty or wealthy and connected, and who don't have to conform to outdated rules and traditions like those that made the Jedi and the Republic (both old and new) become too rigid and fail.

Whereas the message of the previous original and prequel trilogies is that the Chosen One can make a difference, the message of the sequel trilogy is that Any One can make a difference. Though it helps to be a powerful Force user obviously. ;)

Of course, that all depends on what happens in The Rise of Skywalker.
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Bullocks. The original films never mentioned "Chosen One" or "Balance of the Force"
 
Kirk Prime said:
I think TLJ really IS that despised. In fact, I watched a youtube video the other day where the argument that Last Jedi was so bad, it actually made TFA worse as well. And I see the point--TFA was a decent movie that while suffering from lack of originality and being a remake of Episode IV, it set up some interesting directions and mysteries, and almost all of them were ruined by TLJ. Rey's parents? Nobodies. Snoke? Bigger let down than Boba Fett.

All that, and they killed Luke Skywalker. Stupidly.

It's like they watched the horrible treatment of Kirk in Generations, and said, "hold my beer."

TLJ actually made people wonder if this trilogy is worse than the prequels.

At least Episode III wasn't that bad.

The story isn't over, and the hope is that Episode IX undoes the damage of TLJ. That can't happen unless they realize they made a turd of a movie and listen. But I don't think it's possible.

One thing is certain is that even in the prequels, you never heard so many people not care about the next SW movie.
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yup
 
I just asked what the story was about..? They tore the proverbial last page of a story that had a satisfying ending and added more to it, but why? What is it about these sequels? What are they about?
 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
I just asked what the story was about..? They tore the proverbial last page of a story that had a satisfying ending and added more to it, but why? What is it about these sequels? What are they about?
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And he told you and you went on some sort of "but they never said blah blah in the blah blah."
That's called a non sequitur. Or a moving of the goal posts.

And then, now, you're literally repeating the question, should I repeat the answer?

It's fine to not like the answer, but, don't keep repeating the question like it hasn't been answered for you. Some people might become suspicious of your motives for being here.
 
BillJ said:
Money. Just like every other Star Wars movie, and every piece of entertainment in general.
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What? They make money with movies? They’re just not there to entertain? They’ve discovered the intersection of commerce and entertainment? An entertainment company has a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders?

Mind.
Blown.
 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
Bullocks. The original films never mentioned "Chosen One" or "Balance of the Force"
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No way! Concepts that didn't firmly exist yet or weren't fully formed in Lucas' mind weren't mentioned in the Original Trilogy? Nothing gets by you.

I guess we'll just have to settle for Obi-Wan saying "That boy was our only hope" and Yoda replying "No, there is another" which comes pretty close to being Chosen One-y sounding between Luke and if he fails, Leia.

You understand how a prequel works, right? That it can change the way you interpret the original. So the Chosen One mentioned in the Prequels can either be Anakin or it can be Luke, depending on your point of view, to paraphrase Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan in Rebels certainly thought Luke was the true Chosen One. Luke and Anakin brought the final destruction of the Sith (well, depending on how fleshy Palapatine is in The Rise of Skywalker) which the Chosen One was prophesized to do.

All of which is besides the point I was making that you glossed over, as you so frequently do in your single-minded pursuit of always being wrong, which was that the difference between the prequels and OT and the sequels was the transition from heroes that come from dynasties of Force users and galactic power brokers (Luke grew up as a farmboy in the sticks but by the next movie we find out he's a legacy Force user, the son of the previously thought of Chosen One). Leia comes from both a powerful family of Force users and wealth and political power in both her biological and adopted families. Lando started from the bottom now he's here (administering Cloud City). Han's the only one who came from nothing and pretty much stayed that way until he married up.

In the sequel trilogy you have Rey the abandoned scavenger, Finn the stormtrooper janitor defector, Poe the fighter jockey with (as revealed in the new movie) a criminal past of his own. Rose is a mechanic. Then you have the street urchin kids on Canto Bight who symbolize the next generation of Jedi and to a lesser extent Rebels/Resistance. Kylo breaks the mold but he's also an evil dick who you're not supposed to look up to.

So, the OT to a lesser extent and PT especially place a greater emphasis (though not total) on Chosen Ones or Jedi dynasties or political dynasties or the rich and powerful while the sequel trilogy places more emphasis on the next generation of heroes can come from your Average Joe or Jane blue collar worker or soldier or reformed criminal.
 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
I just asked what the story was about..? They tore the proverbial last page of a story that had a satisfying ending and added more to it, but why? What is it about these sequels? What are they about?
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About the next generation taking up the fight.

And, no one is saying you have to accept the ST as the end. The books did the exact same thing and not everyone read them. Apparently it's only bad when its done in the films.
 
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