The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?

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  1. Flying Spaghetti Monster

    Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Well, if we were talking about Duck Dynasty, than I wouldn't care. But STAR WARS is something I care about, I will continue to talk about it
     
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  2. fireproof78

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    I love Star wars too. I also love Star Trek. However, I don't care for Picard or Tarantino so I won't be able watching those.

    Just because I love a franchise doesn't mean I don't partake in all of it.
     
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    That, of course, is your choice. I, for one, never would talk about Duck Dynasty. :p

    Seriously, I guess I just think about the things I know people have enjoyed that I haven’t. Star Trek: Voyager, Doctor Who, Walking Dead, GoT, Rogue One, I could go on. I continue to love sci-fi, Star Trek and Star Wars. I just choose to focus on the areas of those franchises/genres I do love. But, again, that’s just me. I just don’t understand the point of talking about something you’re not happy with the direction it takes.
     
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    I’m looking more forward to The Orville season three than I am the All-Access Trek outings. So I know how you feel. To use a sports term, Trek is my favorite team and I follow it through its ups and downs. At the same time, I don’t feel the need to be abusive towards the creators.
     
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    Well he pretty much did sacrifice himself, for others, in Empire, it's true that in a way that does end his story, he doesn't have much meaningful to do in RotJ, but him after Empire just being revived and sacrificing himself again or just not being revived would also be pretty disappointing and OTOH it's OK that he doesn't get much growth in RotJ because the focus shifts more to Luke and Vader.
     
  6. Professor Zoom

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    Has the question posed by the thread title been answered: Is The Last Jedi ACTUALLY widely hated or not?
     
  7. fireproof78

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    This. There is no need for the hate directed at the creators. Disagree civilly. Hate the movie all you want but a bad movie doesn't warrant hating a person. It also is terrible discussion material.
     
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    I believe I posted audience review scores earlier in this thread (or was it another one) that were just dismissed as some type of conspiracy by haters to artificially drive the score down. So if audience review scores are meaningless I must ask...what standard would be accepted in order to answer said question?
     
  9. Professor Zoom

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    That's a good question.

    But, then, what does "widely" mean?

    50% +1 doesn't mean widely to me. If 75% of an audience hated it, then, yeah, I could see that as "widely hated."

    But does anyone think 75% of the audience actually hated TLJ?
     
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  10. Campe98

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    Per Box Office Mojo, TLJ sold approximately 67,594,500 tickets. While not all of those who bought a ticket are likely to have seen the movie only once so it can’t be 1 to 1 on individuals, I cannot believe a movie would sell that many tickets if 75% of viewers hate it. Word of mouth is a thing. And it would get out if it were THAT bad.
     
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  11. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    oh that sounds so good until you realize they are not creators. They are people at a board meeting pilfering creations they did not work on for their own benefit and tossing in agendas and a bunch of demographic marketing research for their own gain
     
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    They are there to make money. They aren’t going to let agendas get in the way. Which is why Kennedy continues to hire white male writers and directors.
     
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    They are still people. There is no need for hate. That leads to the dark side. I read that somewhere.
     
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    I’ll have to see if what the 2nd week drop was... but wasn’t it still the number one movie a week later? If 75% of the first weeks audience HATED it, wouldn’t word of mouth do damage?
     
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    That’s literally how movie studios run. Every studio movie you have ever loved has been made this way.
     
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    2nd week drop was 43.3% and remained at #1. (In comparison, Avengers: Endgame drop was 60.6% and that certainly wasn’t a flop.) And yes, one would think that if 3/4 of the first week’s audience hated it, that it would have seen something more in the realm of a 70% drop. Which WOULD have shown that people really just didn’t want to see it.

    Again, I’m not for one second suggesting that TLJ isn’t divisive. I just don’t think it’s a sign divisive as some believe.
     
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  17. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    the bigger a movie is the more of a drop that you can expect
     
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    That is not always true in the first week. Eventually, yes. But some movies maintain a larger percentage of their audience. That includes blockbusters.

    (Edited for clarity.)
     
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  19. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    my point is that if everyone goes out to see a movie the first weekend and it makes over 120 million, having it drop more than the 55% you'd want isn't necessarily bad or unexpected
     
  20. fireproof78

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    Please skip to the part where TLJ is an unmitigated disaster.;)