The Kelvin Timeline Trilogy

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by pst, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. King Daniel Beyond

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    Just no more Klingons. Not for Into Darkness, they were the best Klingons ever. But Disco has run them into the ground at warp 7.
     
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  2. fireproof78

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    I agree to no more Klingons. They had already been run in to the ground long before Discovery or Into Darkness.

    If we have to have old aliens then I want Tholians, Andorians, maybe the plant critters from TAS, something really alien. No Borg, no Klingons.
     
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  3. saddestmoon

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    Confession time: Visually, I’d love to see the Ent-A dive down into an empty volcanic crater and travel through a planets lava tubes for the reason of [insert here], all the while dodging magma venting into the tube way from underground chambers... literal a race against a planets volcanism.
     
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  4. Serveaux

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    So, basically...

    ...If Sulu had remembered to disengage the inertial dampener, the Enterprise would have been destroyed with the rest of the fleet in orbit of Vulcan.

    Roll credits.
     
  5. Ovation

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    Well, if someone hadn’t been careless with Special Order 191, Antietam would have been a dramatically different moment.

    Even in real life, tiny events can have huge consequences.
     
  6. M.A.C.O.

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    I was under the impression the plot is what saved the Enterprise. Considering how long the tiny and over-matched USS Kelvin managed to hold off the Narada for several minutes. The 5 new ships, with updated tech and weapon post-Nero's invasion, couldn't hold water for the extra minute it took for Spock to correct Sulu about the external inertial dampener.

    That's JJ's fast moving story telling style for you though. Not the biggest egerious thing in 2009. Later in the Exosphere skydive scene, I guess physics were taking a break. Olsen, Kirk and Sulu should've been ripped to pieces by the force of gravity from the height they dropped from and speed at which they were moving.

    Jajaja
     
  7. M'Sharak

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    Why?
     
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  8. DigificWriter

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    Star Trek '09 was my first "theatrical Trek experience" and is something I enjoyed immensely (although Insurrection is still my favorite Trek movie overall), and while I liked Into Darkness a little less (largely due to some marketing missteps by Abrams), it was still a very enjoyable experience for me.

    Sadly, I missed the opportunity to see Beyond in a theater and haven't yet had an opportunity to see it on home media largely due to lack of time and access, but I do want to see it at some point.
     
  9. King Daniel Beyond

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    You do know Budweiser sponsored a real-life version of the ST'09 skydive? And the guy didn't die?
     
  10. M.A.C.O.

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    Do you mean Felix Baumgartner? If so, that was 24 miles above the surface of the planet. 2009 had the trio drop from at least the thermosphere of Vulcan. For comparison's sake, the ISS is 250 miles above Earth, in the thermosphere.

    To make a long story short. Looking up the mechanics and what others have said online. The human body isn't large enough to catch fire from friction, but would burn from air pressure from speed. With regard to speed, the human body is small enough that it will slow to terminal velocity (125 mph) after several seconds. Where something like the ISS (larger than a football field and moving 17,000 mph around the plaent) would accelerate and burn upon reentry.

    Things just looked to be moving a lot faster in the movie for Kirk and co. Doing the conversion from mph to m/s and timing Kirk and co shouting out distance to target, also makes judging how fast they were moving tricky.

    To make a long story shorter, my post was said in jest. I wanted others to laugh at the absurdity of the scene. However, I was proven wrong. Plus, given Vulcan's noted thinnger atmosphere compared to Earth (the Amok Time). Perhaps the scene played out true to sceince. Or as true as scifi can be atm.
     
  11. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    I guess their skydive suits have some kind of compensator....
     
  12. Torrisrielle

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    I am what we used to call an 'unreconstructed Trekkie', I loved the original series which aired when I was junior high age, so just about perfect timing. Some of the movies made after TOS left me cold, except for a moment here and there where the cast members brought the characters back to life, pretty much in spite of ridiculous [imo] plots. I got excited about TNG for a while but as it went on, and on, found it more and more boring. And if adding Guinan couldn't get me excited again, nothing else they did was going to help. DS 9 was much the same way, they had new toys and some new races, and what made it worse was they were stuck on that station, instead of traveling the galaxies, you know 'to find new worlds, etc' - then it got preachy I was so outa there. Sorry to say, the more TNG movies they made, the less interested I became. And I am sorry to admit those disappointments kept me from watching the following series. THEN they announced new Trek movies and I decided to give them a try, and I love '09 and Into Darkness, I just love 'em, because, despite a great many changes the cast is fresh, young and enthusiastic in their roles, the changed timeline allows them to move ahead with their own 'destinies' and so forth. The main problem I see with Beyond is they went nuts with the effects and lost the plot, almost literally so could they have done better? absolutely. Do I think they should have stopped with 09 or Into Darkness, Absolutely no. Because this Kelvin timeline has brought Trek a boatload of new fans, new fanfics, new fanart and there's nothing bad about generating new 'fan-ac' in my opinion. I hope the producers etc work it out to continue these movies bc the cast is terrific again imo and the possible new stories are astronomical. So, that's my 'humble' opinion.
     
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  13. HaventGotALife

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    This is a redacted opinion of the Kelvin Movies. I will keep it to what I like.

    George Kirk steals the show as it opens "Star Trek." I thought it was emotionally poignant without gore or overly dramatic sequences involving his sacrifice. It set the tone of the movies, too. Very few moments, with JJ Abrams in the director's chair, linger too long on a reaction, a character's emotions. He chose to let the audience do that, and it speaks to his direction that Trek stopped being heavy-handed and insulting, a chore. So, the best scene is the first scene. I was captivated.

    Spock and Kirk's respect for each other is in these movies. I actually understand Spock yelling "Khan!" If Jim and Spock have a relationship built, by Roddenberry, by appreciating differences, and still being friends, the highest form of flattery, is emulation. "This is what you would have done."

    Bones' introduction is the best! In fact, Dee Kelley couldn't have done better with the scenes Karl Urban interpreted. Outside of the weapons test, Urban and McCoy were my favorite character moments of Kelvin movies. If Urban isn't a fan, then he's the best actor of the group.

    Music to destroy a massive bee swarm, that ends the refit Enterprise in an a way we have never seen, with the foil to Kirk hailing "Sabotage?" I request more endings like this! I request more endings like this! I request more endings like this!

    All in all, I probably stop watching these films without a fourth film. However, the acting was amazing and revitalized this property. Thank you for that.
     
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