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The James Bond Film Discussion Thread (With Bonus Lazenby!)
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I know he's still working, but Campbell will soon be 81 and who the fuck knows how old he'll be by the time they actually get around to making another Bond film!There is apparently a shortlist of directors for the next 007 film. The original telegraph article is paywalled, so I’m linking to this summary of it from Den of Geek.
I wonder will Martin Campbell make a hat-trick of launching new Bonds or is he just there to make up the numbers? Few of his non-Bond films are of any merit IMHO, but he has certainly made two of the best Bond films.
James Bond 26 Directors List Includes the Best 007 Relaunch Director
A familiar name is reportedly on Eon's list of potential directors for the next James Bond movie.www.denofgeek.com
I was wondering how old Campbell was; next year will be the 30th anniversary of GoldenEye (please, pass the Advil).
Man, thanks to a friend, I remember being invited to screening for the critics here in Seattle a week or so before it hit theaters. Now I feel old.
I hadn’t actually realised that, but then again, look at Ridley Scott and Clint Eastwood!
It's an odd one really isn't it. I think Bond directors fall into maybe two distinct categories, the workmanlike director and the auteur, though I guess you could argue a third category which is the team member who starts off as an editor/2nd unit director in the franchise and works their way up to directing (Your Peter Hunts and John Glenns)
I don't think there's a correct way of doing it. You can get an Oscar winning director like Mendes who gives you one of the best films in the franchise, and follows it up with one of the worst, then you get a guy like Campbell who's back catalogue is fairly so-so yet who directed two of the best films in the franchise.
I always get kinda twitchy when they talk about Nolan, much as I love him as a director (mostly, don't talk about Tenet) I think he'd be a poor fit for Bond, whereas I'd choose someone like Guy Ritchie who'd give you a solid film (given a decent script).
Maybe they could even consider [Roger Moore] A woman?[/Roger Moore]
After I saw Black Panther I thought Ryan Coogler would be a good choice.
I don't think there's a correct way of doing it. You can get an Oscar winning director like Mendes who gives you one of the best films in the franchise, and follows it up with one of the worst, then you get a guy like Campbell who's back catalogue is fairly so-so yet who directed two of the best films in the franchise.
I always get kinda twitchy when they talk about Nolan, much as I love him as a director (mostly, don't talk about Tenet) I think he'd be a poor fit for Bond, whereas I'd choose someone like Guy Ritchie who'd give you a solid film (given a decent script).
Maybe they could even consider [Roger Moore] A woman?[/Roger Moore]
After I saw Black Panther I thought Ryan Coogler would be a good choice.
Thoughts anyone? I agree that there’s a bespoke quality to recent 007 output and that some franchises have suffered from overexposure but Eon and Bond are probably going too far in the opposite direction IMHO:
www.denofgeek.com
The Pleasure in Waiting Years for the Next James Bond
Three years after No Time to Die, and James Bond still hasn’t returned. There is satisfaction to be had in his absence.
www.denofgeek.com
Bond was around all over the place when I was growing up. I saw The Living Daylights on opening night. I never saw License to Kill in the theater as it was washed away in the Great Blockbuster Deluge of 1989.
Then he went way for six years. I even rolled my eyes a bit when they went back and cast Brosnan.
Then all of a sudden Goldeneye became my most anticipated movie in the fall of 1995. (That poster of Brosnan in gold with the gun barrel and the tag "There is no substitute" was amazing.) Waiting can be good.
Then he went way for six years. I even rolled my eyes a bit when they went back and cast Brosnan.
Then all of a sudden Goldeneye became my most anticipated movie in the fall of 1995. (That poster of Brosnan in gold with the gun barrel and the tag "There is no substitute" was amazing.) Waiting can be good.
It does make you wonder how things would have played out had Brosnan been cast as Bond after Moore retired had NBC not pulled a hissy fit and decided to renew Remington Steele at the last minute, resulting in the hiring of Timothy Dalton.
Would The Living Daylights been better received; would it have been a different story? What other Bond properties would EON have tried adapting?
Licence to Kill was really tailored to Dalton's desire to play a Bond who was more ruthless and a bit closer to the character from Fleming's novels, so I wonder if we'd have gotten it at all if it were 1987-88 and they were planning Brosnan's second outing as 007?
And if Brosnan had taken on the role in 1987, who would’ve replaced him in the mid-1990s or whenever he decided to hang up his Walther? Assuming that his tenure wasn’t also derailed by going up against Batman in 1989.
The only two actors that immediately come to mind for me are Hugh Grant and Sean Bean.
I was thinking Ralph Fiennes. My logic is that after the rougher, edgier Dalton years, they went back to a more populist and light hearted incarnation with Pierce. So if you have Pierce replacing Moore, then his replacement might have been more edgy, but at this stage Daniel Craig isn’t in the picture. Apparently they did approach Fiennes in 1994 or so, after he was Oscar nominated for Schindler’s List, but felt that his take would’ve been to similar to Tim’s. But this wouldn’t be a problem in our alternate timeline (or Timline).
A Timless Timline doesn't bear thinking about.
No Tim To Die
[*Craves Timbits*]
We Have All the Tim in the World.
So here's the thing with the alternate Brosnan timeline. There are a few variables.
Brosnan's instincts were not THAT far off of Dalton's. Especially with Bond coming off of Roger Moore AND PB coming off of Remington Steele, I'm not sure Brosnan would have necessarily danced with the one that brung him at the point. He too might have tried to go with a more serious Bond. Even if not, I don't know that he would have gone for the perfect triangulation of Connery and Moore that we got. Or maybe that's just how Brosnan plays Bond and exterior forces don't play into it.
Anyway he would not have been getting Martin Campbell. He still would have been getting John Glen. AND the waning Cubby Broccoli. AND the Dalton Moneypenny.
While I'm sure they tried to play to Dalton's strengths and would have tried to do the same for Brosnan, License to Kill was as much a response to action films like Die Hard as it was to Dalton wanting to be "grittier". And really, don't you think Brosnan would have LOVED to play against Felix Leiter getting fed to a shark?
Brosnan was SO much more self assured in 1995 than I think he would have been eight years earlier. The seasoning did him loads of good. So even if everything went smoothly he might not have been as good of a Bond.
Oh, right, even if LtK had been a more substantial hit I don't know if it would have managed to stave off the troubles with the sale of MGM.
But assuming that Brosnan managed to get a third film in a timely manner (which actually seems unlikely) OR if everyone was willing to wait (they were not with Dalton or Dalton wasn't with them) then I expect Brosnan still would have left in the mid 2000s at about the same age that he did. (Hopefully he would not have been the only Bond to be fired!) And however Brosnan wound up playing Bond (I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have played it as the guy from The Fourth Protocol only as Bond) that the next Bond would have been a reaction to that. And to Bourne, and to 9/11, and to everything else that went into the Craig era.
Now the question is, when would we have gotten Judi Dench?
So here's the thing with the alternate Brosnan timeline. There are a few variables.
Brosnan's instincts were not THAT far off of Dalton's. Especially with Bond coming off of Roger Moore AND PB coming off of Remington Steele, I'm not sure Brosnan would have necessarily danced with the one that brung him at the point. He too might have tried to go with a more serious Bond. Even if not, I don't know that he would have gone for the perfect triangulation of Connery and Moore that we got. Or maybe that's just how Brosnan plays Bond and exterior forces don't play into it.
Anyway he would not have been getting Martin Campbell. He still would have been getting John Glen. AND the waning Cubby Broccoli. AND the Dalton Moneypenny.
While I'm sure they tried to play to Dalton's strengths and would have tried to do the same for Brosnan, License to Kill was as much a response to action films like Die Hard as it was to Dalton wanting to be "grittier". And really, don't you think Brosnan would have LOVED to play against Felix Leiter getting fed to a shark?
Brosnan was SO much more self assured in 1995 than I think he would have been eight years earlier. The seasoning did him loads of good. So even if everything went smoothly he might not have been as good of a Bond.
Oh, right, even if LtK had been a more substantial hit I don't know if it would have managed to stave off the troubles with the sale of MGM.
But assuming that Brosnan managed to get a third film in a timely manner (which actually seems unlikely) OR if everyone was willing to wait (they were not with Dalton or Dalton wasn't with them) then I expect Brosnan still would have left in the mid 2000s at about the same age that he did. (Hopefully he would not have been the only Bond to be fired!) And however Brosnan wound up playing Bond (I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have played it as the guy from The Fourth Protocol only as Bond) that the next Bond would have been a reaction to that. And to Bourne, and to 9/11, and to everything else that went into the Craig era.
Now the question is, when would we have gotten Judi Dench?
Those are excellent points. Food for thought.
In relation to the Dench question, I would guess “much the same time.”’ Robert Brown, the previous M, seems to have retired around 1993 and Stella Rimington, the first female head of MI5 in real life, and the obvious inspiration for Dench’s M, took up the job in 1992. So the first 007 film from 1992 or 1993 onwards was released probably destined to have her.
I think the article has a good point. 3 years in, I'm getting a bit excited to think about who's doing it next (in front of and behind the camera) and where they'll take it.
Meanwhile, Barbara Broccoli is doing the film festival circuit, leading to speculation that this may represent her and Eon limbering up for a new Bond film:
deadline.com
James Bond Producer Barbara Broccoli Attends Qatari Gala Dinner In Venice Sparking More Chatter That 007 Could Be Headed To The Middle East
Producer's presence added fuel to to recent reports that she is attempting to secure Qatari finance for ex-James Bond actor Daniel Craig’s Othello.
deadline.com
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