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The Good Voyager

Klaitu

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You know, there's not a lot of new trek out there, and from time to time, I get the urge to see some more Trek. I saw all of Voyager during the original run, but I never watched it since.. the impression I had was that Voyager was pretty much the worst Star Trek series ever made...

But now that there is no new Star Trek, I hope that my recollection has turned out false. I havent seen Voyager in some time, so maybe I am focussed on the negatives. That's where you guys come in.

If you would, lay on me the best episodes of Voyager to rewatch and get that Star Trek feeling back!
 
Scorpion, Year of Hell, Critical Care, The Killing Game, Timeless, and Shattered are all excellent. Just be sure to avoid anything with the Kazon. Those all pretty much suck. Except for Shattered, but that's an...unusual case.
 
Along with those mentioned already, Counterpoint, Blood Fever, The Phage, Warlord, The Chute, Thirty Days, Unity, Dark Frontier, Bride of Chaotica, Maneuvers, Basics I and II, One, Drone, Imperfection, and (God help me) Future's End (it was entertaining, damn it, and it explained where the mobile emitter came from!) come to mind as among VOY's more entertaining offerings.
 
Bride of Chaotica? I think I remember that one.. wasn't that the one where Tom Paris's 1950's sci-fi holodeck program is invaded by weird, holographic aliens?

If so, perhaps we have a different definition of "good".
 
If you embrace B of C for the campy fun and mid-20th century throwback that it is, it's great.
 
You know, there's not a lot of new trek out there, and from time to time, I get the urge to see some more Trek. I saw all of Voyager during the original run, but I never watched it since.. the impression I had was that Voyager was pretty much the worst Star Trek series ever made...

But now that there is no new Star Trek, I hope that my recollection has turned out false. I havent seen Voyager in some time, so maybe I am focussed on the negatives. That's where you guys come in.

If you would, lay on me the best episodes of Voyager to rewatch and get that Star Trek feeling back!
report to ditl.org immediately, click 'reviews' at the top, then click 'episode list' underneath the read 'voy' button on the left, then 'rating' at the top right.
 
My Top 10 Voyager favorites:

1. Cold Fire

2. Persistence Of Vision

3. Caretaker

4. Warlord

5. Basics (parts 1 and 2)

6. Projections

7. The Swarm

8. Darkling

9. Time And Again

10. Before And After
 
Cherry picking.

There was a time that I would have a bag of jelly beans, and then have to find some one to eat all the black ones left over.

Then I went to this wierdos birthday and all they had was black jelly beans.

Needs must as the devil drives.

Don't watch the best episode.

Watch the worst.

Suffer through some bollocks drivel shit which will put the rest in perspective.

Once you've sunk to a bottommost level of talentlessness, you can sit back and enjoy the rest of the series with nothing but blue skies ahead of you.

Start with Endgame.
 
Here's an idea. Try re-watching the whole series with an open mind. Many have been pleasantly surprised when giving Voyager another chance.
 
Yeah I originally thought the Kazon episodes sucked but some were actually pretty good.

Episodes that stand out for me as not only superb Voyager episodes but superb Star Trek episodes.

Blink of an Eye
The Muse
Barge of the Dead
Before and After
Deadlock
Prey
Natural Law

There's loads of great episodes really.
 
Here's an idea. Try re-watching the whole series with an open mind. Many have been pleasantly surprised when giving Voyager another chance.

Well, I watched it with an open mind, and I still think a lot of it sucked.

I don't think it's unreasonable to want a handpicked "best of" list for an extremely episodic show. I mean, I still like Voyager, but I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect someone to take the 7-season plunge when they hated the show. If anything, watching some of VOY at its best picked out would convince him to watch more.

And I can't think of a way to say this without sounding like a jerk/troll, but it's not how I mean it: Kes7 and Lynx's lists would mostly be up on my "most forgettable VOY" list personally, save for 30 Days, One, and Before and After. Though Caretaker is probably worth watching because it's the pilot. But I'm not a professional critic, I'm just a viewer with an opinion.
 
So anyways, I have started watching the suggestions in this thread!

Camp is another word for suck.

You are going to miss out on a lot of entertaining TV shows and movies with that attitude. But to each his own.

I'm okay with missing out on the Xenas, and Legend of the Seekers of the world. Just because garbage is produced does not mean that I have to find a reason to watch it.

Cherry picking.

There was a time that I would have a bag of jelly beans, and then have to find some one to eat all the black ones left over.

Then I went to this wierdos birthday and all they had was black jelly beans.

Needs must as the devil drives.

Don't watch the best episode.

Watch the worst.

Suffer through some bollocks drivel shit which will put the rest in perspective.

Once you've sunk to a bottommost level of talentlessness, you can sit back and enjoy the rest of the series with nothing but blue skies ahead of you.

Start with Endgame.
Is it weird that this makes absolutely perfect sense to me?

Living Witness is the best episode.
So, I checked it out, and Living Witness is not bad at all, despite using the Nemesis Son'a face stretching set. I don't know that it's "the best" but I wasn't instantly revolted by it, and that's a good thing!

Along with those mentioned already, Counterpoint
This was my next episode, as it happened to be on the "captains choice" DVD fanset. Apparently it's Kate Mulgrew's favorite episode because of the "sexual tension".

I didn't see any sexual tension, I only saw a bad guy who was obviously going to betray the crew at the end of the episode, and so while it wasn't horrible, it was bland and uninteresting.

report to ditl.org immediately, click 'reviews' at the top, then click 'episode list' underneath the read 'voy' button on the left, then 'rating' at the top right.
This site ranks "Faces" as the number 1 Voyager episode. I don't know that it's that good, but it's an interesting character study for Torres. I think this was detracted from because I recall a later episode where Torres goes freakoid nuts because her baby will have ridges that completely cancels out the work done here.

This site ranks "Tuvix" as the number 3 best voyager episode (I couldn't find a copy of "Jetrel" to watch). "Tuvix" is an absolutely awful, horrible, horrible abomination of television, and if I had not already seen "threshold" I would classify it as the worst thing ever put on television. the dilemma in this episode was utter ridiculous on the level of "if your arm turned into a leprechaun, would it be immoral to have it spin straw into gold" level of awful.

"Tuvix" is as if I was walking through the plains of Voyager and suddenly stepped on a landmine. I shall have to be more cautious in the future.

Caretaker
I didn't rewatch this episode since it was the pilot and I have a pretty clear memory of it. This is the episode where not only does Janeway destroy her only means of returning home, thus incompetantly stranding her people in the Delta Quadrant.. she also violates the prime directive to do it!

I'll give her one thing: she certainly wastes no time.

Arrrrrgh, this episode was absolutely horrible! Kes is absolutely the least interesting character on Voyager (even less interesting than Neelix) and here, she is suppressed by some kind of bad guy tyrant.. and she goes around yelling at people and trying to intimidate them, despite her being in a 5 foot tall 80 pound waif body.

Still, it wasn't as awful as Tuvix. I'm trying to look at the bright side here.

Dreadnought
Nobody here recommended it, but it was on the DVD I had so I watched it. This episode was suprisingly good, of special mention would be the alien race the missile is locked on to destroy.. they weren't just stereotypes, they actually had some character to them.

Cold Fire
Ugh! Another freaking Kes episode. Aside from Kes's BS magic powers, the episode itself was pretty basic.. though I found it strange how all of a sudden they know all about the caretakers race, considering they've only met one of them before, and knew nothing of them at that time. This episode was merely on the bad side of "meh"

Here's an idea. Try re-watching the whole series with an open mind. Many have been pleasantly surprised when giving Voyager another chance.
The problem with going through chronologically and watching the whole series is that I don't have the entire set of episodes. In addition to which, even if I did have the entire set, I would constantly run into garbage like Threshold, Tuvix, and Bride of Chaotica.

the danger here, of course, being that I know about these 3 examples, but what other completely awful horrors await in store? I want to hit as few suck episodes as possible.

So far it's going okay, I was hoping for better results.
 
I strongly recommed the Year of Hell episodes. I loved those.

oh wait. just read that you hated Tuvix. I thought that was really good, very thought provoking....so i don't know ...
 
I strongly recommed the Year of Hell episodes. I loved those.

oh wait. just read that you hated Tuvix. I thought that was really good, very thought provoking....so i don't know ...

I remember year of hell, and my only serious problem with it is that the entire "year of hell" is cancelled out at the end. So, at the end of the 2 part episode, the only thing that actually happened is that they saw a comet and changed course.

I actively dislike Chakotay, but this is one of the few episodes where he does something interesting. I think the idea that nobody is really smart enough to predict the flow of time is compelling.
 
You think the Kes episodes are bad, try "Favorite Son" and "The Disease" then (MWAHAHA).

So you're watching the episodes we suggest to you? Interesting...
I'd still suggest "Before and After" and "Blink of an Eye" as two of my tops.
 
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