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Spoilers The Gifted - Season 2

Well, that was a clumsy finale. They made Polaris, their most powerful member, practically useless in the final fight for no apparent reason, all so they could justify having the bland white male lead save the day all by himself. Okay, they did so in a way that permanently resolved the problem of having such a bland lead character, but that's probably a moot point given the show's iffy chances of renewal.

I also can't believe they actually went ahead and had the Frosts succeed in forcing Fenris to destroy Sentinel Services -- and that they rushed through the scene in such a cursory way and barely touched on its impact. Sure, they had newscasters talking about its aftermath, but there was hardly anything about its personal impact on the kids that they were made to do that.

I really liked The Gifted in its first season, but the second season has been a mess, and I won't mind at all if this was the end.
 
Misgivings over plot holes from prior episodes not being addressed aside:

"My name is... Thunderbird" YES!!!

Caitlin takes out Fade - :techman:

"You can't build a nation on the murder of innocent people."
"Read your history books. That's the only way you can build a nation." :devil:

And now Blink throws portals just like in DOFP! :techman:


So... was this... the end?
 
Well, if this is the end, at least they've largely, if not completely, tied up all of their hanging plot threads.

Did Eclipse kill Sophie and Phoebe? I could have sworn Esme was with the underground group at the end, so what became of the others?

In the unlikely event that we get that third season I'm really interested in where Blink has been, how she survived, and what's on the other side of the portal.
 
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Did Eclipse kill Sophie and Phoebe? I could have sworn Esme was with the underground group at the end, so what became of the others?

It was left ambiguous whether the other two sisters were alive. And yes, that was Esme with the underground. It's been obvious all season that she was the "good" sister who'd eventually break with the other two caricatured-evil ones, so no surprise there. It's just that, as with Turner's ambivalence about falling to the dark side, they dragged it out all season.

And I was wrong about Turner finally seeing the light -- he was pure, hardcore bad guy here, one-dimensional and uncomplicated, which makes me wonder what the point of his constant back-and-forth ambivalence was. They really dropped the ball on his character this year.
 
Solid conclusion for both the season and, if it has to be, the show itself if with a bit of a cliffhanger. Certain things were rushed in the end to get certain pieces in the right place, particularly how the episode cruised over the destruction of Sentinel Services (and its aftermath), Esme's place in the Underground, and Esme being in the right place at the right time force Benedict Ryan's confession. I think the storylines could've used at least one more episode to properly breath but I suspect that there were some behind-the-scenes issues that caused the rushed storytelling. But, on the other hand, it does look like none of the Frost sisters though to read Sage's mind before Reva passed sentence, so maybe it is just more bad writing.

Regarding Esme's change of heart, it's one thing for to allow Reed and Caitlin to take back their children and get away with attacker her sisters, but it's another for her to turn around and abandon them when she clearly still cared about their safety, especially we didn't even get to see her make that decision. I don't mind too much because I've always liked Esme and I'm glad she's with the Underground, but that whole sequence needed a few more scenes.

I'm glad that Clarice has returned, alive and well, and I suspect she traveled from the future considering her lack of wounds, her appearance, her control of her powers, and what we could see on the other side of the portal. Seems like they're setting up a Cable-esque storyline.

I liked Reed's noble sacrifice and especially the shock on Reva's face just before she was incinerated, her arrogance finally coming home to roost. Much like Clarice, I suspect we haven't seen the last of Reed, but he'll be very different if and when he returns.

Turner continued to be a complete waste of space and I'm sure he'll be all the more obnoxious if we get another season. That'll be one plus if the show is not renewed; we won't have to suffer through his shit anymore.
 
and Esme being in the right place at the right time force Benedict Ryan's confession.

Why wouldn't she be? I believe it was outside the building where Ryan worked, so it would've been easy enough for Esme to lie in wait for him there.


But, on the other hand, it does look like none of the Frost sisters though to read Sage's mind before Reva passed sentence, so maybe it is just more bad writing.

No, they addressed that in the scene where the Frosts confronted Sage before killing her. They tried to read her mind and failed, and one of them winced in disgust and said "It's all ones and zeroes in there."

The real question is why they never read Lorna's mind.


Much like Clarice, I suspect we haven't seen the last of Reed, but he'll be very different if and when he returns.

If the show did return, I would really hope that Reed didn't. It was a mistake from the start to center the show around him instead of the far more interesting Amy Acker. Killing him off seemed like the producers' attempt to finally fix that mistake.
 
LOL, Esme could just fix everything in like 5 seconds. So easy.

If that's the end, then I approve of the way they ended it. For this show, a decent enough finale with more resolution than I had actually hoped for. So thumbs up for wrapping things up so nicely.

However, yes, in an effort to make things work how they needed them too, they really dropped the ball with Lorna in this episode. In a garage full of vans, the bad guys should have all been pancaked in less than 10 seconds. Annoying, but certainly forgivable, because I really enjoyed the scene with Reed marching into Reeva's lair and blowing everything up. The buildup to it was very well done between Reed and Kate.

Glad to see Esme back with the good guys. Glad to see Erg and Thunderbird working together multiple times in the episode. Of course glad to see Blink at the end.

Turner continued to be a complete waste of space and I'm sure he'll be all the more obnoxious if we get another season.
So I was reading your post, and I was thinking about Blink returning (from the future presumably) still while my brain moved ahead and read this sentence about Turner. Which made me combine the two thoughts: you know how we saw Turner all bandaged up in a hospital bed at the end, what if we were to see him in the future too? Repaired. As a cyborg. Hunting mutants. Calling himself Ahab. Anyone with me on this? That seems like a totally appropriate role for him, the type of job he'd do. You know what, now that I think about it, there were some shady-looking men in black in his hospital scene. Possibly just govt agents there to arrest him or something when he woke up, but maybe there to recruit him (or just plain take him) instead.

Anyways, you know what else I liked, Lauren and Andy weren't there for the big showdown at the end. Nice of them to let the adults handle things.

If that was the end, thumbs up for a satisfying ending. Though with that little tease, at least we know that if they're allowed to keep making this show, they'd be happy to.

As mentioned by someone above, this show does not look like the most expensive show on tv. Random streets and alleys can't be too difficult to film in. So it may have a lower threshold required to approve the paychecks and expenses for season 3. Heck, with the other two currently incapacitated, they're even going to save some money on Esme.
 
The real question is why they never read Lorna's mind.

Since she made a crown out of that thing she got from Magneto, at one point I found myself speculating that they could have gone in the direction of having the crown work like Magneto's helmet or something. But I don't think she was wearing the thing in the relevant scene anyway and you'd think the Frosts would have been aware they were being blocked. I still wonder if maybe Esme had somehow interfered with her sisters' perception on this front. I also thought there was a strange sound during the scene in question when the camera focused on Lorna and I wondered whether it meant anything other than typical enhance-the-drama sound design.

kitik said:
you know how we saw Turner all bandaged up in a hospital bed at the end

Is it possible John scalped him? :devil:
 
The big personal character dramatic decisions were John acknowledging Turner's innate goodness and sparing his life; Esme turning against her sisters; Vampire Bill finally conquering his monstrous nature by noble self-sacrifice. Technically, the decision to use Fenris to destroy Inner Circle HQ counts, but the script took it back.

As to the first, Turner's surviving the tomahawk *and* Erg's light show *and* repeated super-powerful blows to the head, so that John could reject "hate" is hard to believe even as you watch. It also suffers from confusing reaching out in daily life to the Other and rejecting a politics of oppression, with condoning crime and rejecting the right of self-defense. The show seems to think pacifism is morally obligatory for the oppressed. It's also still more John character assassination, making him grotesquely stupid. Looking back, though, John has to be a moron to "love" Clarice. Otherwise he'd remember that it was Sonya's love which attached Clarice to him.

As to Esme's wholly expected about-face? The notion that Marcos, the cartel torturer, has always had lasers he could and would set to stun is doubly stupid, in terms of who he is and how lasers work. This nonsense is just about removing any permanent consequences for Esme in betraying her sisters. And, using someone (Fenris) to save your life against an enemy who is going to kill you (Marcos, who has burned them before,) isn't the same as a mad scientist forcing you (Frost) to rat out other captured mutants. The only real reason for Esme to turn is what the show has always thought justified murdering someone, they dissed someone the show liked, with "You're nothing." (That's why Rooty-tooty murdering Fade, who repeatedly dissed Reed, was supposed to be a feel good moment.) Lorna is wrong, and useless, yet again, just like in the garage sequence. Her submission to Carlos destroyed all her agency.

As to the third? This was affecting in many ways. It was undercut for me by relying on gibberish about his powers work. Or is it don't work? Risman Garber's so-called explanation didn't make any sense at all to me. I've never even understood why anyone thought they should believe a word out of Risman Garber's mouth. It was deeply satisfying to hear Reeva call him confused. If truth were a knife, he'd have been dead on the floor. The climax was more or less copied from the end of True Blood, which I suppose is why Stephen Moyer was hired in the first place, to be the reluctant noble monster fighting his monstrousness. In a story where mutants are sometimes a metaphor for oppressed groups this has left the character nothing to do until the final thematic statement, that being different is bad. Amy Acker and the juveniles showed grief very well I thought.

It's never been clear where the show's backward politics come from. It may have been Fox that insisted on dragging in the Purifiers, so that the government (in the form of Sentinel Services) won't be oppressors. But somebody, whoever, realized that actually showing the von Struckers saving Sentinel Services, after what they've done, would be too vile for words. They gimmicked it up so that Fenris was forced. But, Sentinel Service went down, and that really was a feel good moment. And they contrasted it with Lauren's sudden willingness to take down the Inner Circle HQ, indifferent to the truly innocent people who were just in the lower floors of a building. But then, everything with Lauren is opaque. Nonetheless, the fall of the Sentinel Services was a true climax, and a true victory for the good guys. Well done.

As to plot/theme resolutions? Esme making Ryan confess will have no more effect than Frost making the mental hospital torturers and the Creed scoundrels confess. It just makes me wonder why no one thought to trumpet it everywhere, not least to Sage, Bulk, Fade, even the cruise crew. There's no reason to think everyone but Andy would have been on board. There is still not the slightest clue as to how Ryan was built up by Reeva, or what he expects to gain from a revolution. There's just the preposterous assumption that uppity minorities are only uppity because of nefarious agitators. The inexplicable discovery that, contradicting what they told Reed, that the uprising continues and the von Struckers will have to continue murdering mutants---for the rest of their lives?---is not a happy ending. They have definitively gone to the dark side. It's all very much like a fantasy where Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglass dedicated their lives to killing John Brown. The government knew Lorna was pregnant, and the government will hunt the baby and keep tabs on it to see if Lorna gets in touch. So, no, there will be no happy reunions. They can put it on screen, but nothing will make it believable, not for a second. The 9/11 theme has apparently been very powerful in somebody's mind all along. It mostly hasn't been apparent, but they really hit it like crazy. The show has been indirect, but it was all Reeva's fault. The stance that hold 9/11 to be some sort of mysterious malice against "us" because a bad enemy with no reason but fantastic powers of subversion and it is of course natural for "us" to be frightened and determined to fight back wasn't very sensible in 2001. Nearly two decades later, it is worse than hysterical, it is malicious. ( My opinion of course.)

Fox apparently has delusions of being a major network, so it will almost certainly dump The Gifted in the vain pursuit of higher ratings. The producers will of course shop it around, but it seems likely nobody will care to mess with Disney. But if somehow there is a third season, it doesn't look promising. I have no idea why they insisted on putting in an incest theme but after they did, not doing anything with it is nuts. The easiest resolution is to make it the unspoken cause of a split in the family, especially if they were afraid to go there. As for the rest, John and Lorna have been made stupid. Lauren is still a cipher. Rooty-tooty is sort of entertaining but she's a pale copy of the original on Person of Interest, plus the show seriously underestimates how much that was all about the lesbian chic. Marcos is blunted by their refusal to accept their own back story for him. Erg is still a vicious fool vainly planning to hide out until the Morlocks can eat people. Esme has an impossible dilemma, which means a season of stalling. And worst of all, the new plot direction seems to center on Clarice, who is even more of a failure as a character than Lauren. Nothing about her makes any sense, there's just mouthpiece for the writers and snark meant to be cool. Cool is overrated.
 
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Why wouldn't she be? I believe it was outside the building where Ryan worked, so it would've been easy enough for Esme to lie in wait for him there.
I'm thinking specifically timeline of things. It seems like a lot of moving parts in a short period of time. It's not a big issue, but it's one that would've been resolved if the storyline had a little more room to breath.

No, they addressed that in the scene where the Frosts confronted Sage before killing her. They tried to read her mind and failed, and one of them winced in disgust and said "It's all ones and zeroes in there."

The real question is why they never read Lorna's mind.
Oh, quite right. Brain fart on my part. Change my original point and apply it to Lorna.

If the show did return, I would really hope that Reed didn't. It was a mistake from the start to center the show around him instead of the far more interesting Amy Acker. Killing him off seemed like the producers' attempt to finally fix that mistake.
I agree with that and I've had issues with Reed since the beginning (but less so than Jace and John). But this is a superhero show and I would not be surprised if he were to return in some capacity sometime down the road if the show is renewed.
 
I'm thinking specifically timeline of things. It seems like a lot of moving parts in a short period of time. It's not a big issue, but it's one that would've been resolved if the storyline had a little more room to breath.

It wasn't specified how much time passed between the climax and that scene. It could've been days.
 
True, but the pacing made it feel immediate. Like I said, not a big deal and could've been resolved with another episode (with other issues, too).
 
True, but the pacing made it feel immediate. Like I said, not a big deal and could've been resolved with another episode (with other issues, too).

It didn't warrant more attention. Ryan was just a tool of Reeva's to manipulate the Purifiers. He'd served his purpose in the story. Once Reeva was gone and the Purifiers beaten, Ryan was just a loose end to be tied off in the denouement. And really, that scene was more about Esme than about Ryan -- tying off her redemption arc by showing her exposing Reeva's plans to the world.
 
Ryan "just a tool...just a loose end..." is bad writing. Much of the action is initiated by Ryan. If he does this without a reason, with no goal of his own, he's a phony character. Ryan as puppet is the show insisting that an oppressed group is not oppressed by the government, by the powerful or even by the majority. Ryan as Reeva's mask means all the trouble is caused by the evil Other, agitating the otherwise decent minorities so they bring troubles on themselves. The show already insists Jace is a good man. Insisting that a shameless villain is not even one of "us," but one of *them* is not really acceptable in my opinion.

And, again, confessions do not change anything. Previous episodes showed us no one blinked an eye about the torture of mutants in mental hospitals. That doctor was going merrily about her business. No one blinked an eye about the revelations of Creed's past dealing. Employees of a bank that profited from forced labor and financed addictive drugs were universally regarded as innocents, especially by the Mutant Underground. No one blinked an eye about the torture of mutants by the collars. Everyone thought the release of mutant prisoners was a horrible crime, especially the Mutant Underground, which only favors the escape of their personal friends. This is all on screen, even if one chooses to ignore comments about it.
 
I would have gladly watched a season 3. I suppose there's a tiny chance it'll be picked up by Hulu or Disney+, as apparently one of the reasons it was cancelled is because it was made by the part of Fox that was sold to Disney but still aired on the part of Fox that didn't get bought by Disney. Or something convoluted like that??? That said, I don't expect it to be picked up by any other channel or service. I'm glad that the final episode provided a satisfying conclusion.
 
I would have gladly watched a season 3. I suppose there's a tiny chance it'll be picked up by Hulu or Disney+, as apparently one of the reasons it was cancelled is because it was made by the part of Fox that was sold to Disney but still aired on the part of Fox that didn't get bought by Disney. Or something convoluted like that??? That said, I don't expect it to be picked up by any other channel or service. I'm glad that the final episode provided a satisfying conclusion.
It was cancelled due to poor ratings. Simple as that.
 
I suppose there's a tiny chance it'll be picked up by Hulu or Disney+

Don't hold your breath on this or you'll suffocate.

The series is linked to the X-Men Cinematic Universe*, which is being tossed aside by Marvel Studios at the first available opportunity.

If FX's Legion series weren't already ending, it too would be getting the "cancelled" stamp for the same reason.

* Deadpool is also linked to the XMCU, but it apparently makes far too much money for Disney to say "no" to.
 
A little disappointing but not surprising at all considering the poor ratings and the impending absorption of the X-Men universe.
 
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