Discovery? So far they've aired about four hours of unexceptional, banal television.
Spoilers The game changing Voq theory
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Discovery? So far they've aired about four hours of unexceptional, banal television.
Some of us, shockingly, disagree and think it's all build up but not bad at all.
We must be watching different TV shows.
I think it's a case of watching one show to find something to hate and watching another one to find something to praise.
Shazad Latif did such an awesome job communicating the trauma of Tyler's captivity, in a way I was disappointed it's just a cover, because it would be a great story for real! That scene where he confesses to Lorca why he's still alive, fantastic. I've seen about a billion stories of female characters recovering from some variety of sexual-predator-kidnapping, and very rarely have I seen that story with a male.
I totally agree. I'm not spoiling my IRL friends who are also watching. It's interesting how strong a mislead the opening credits are. It really does camouflage the tells -- in some universe where these things air without credits and there is no press and you come in totally cold, I think you'd figure out fast that Tyler is Voq. But the way this actually plays, with the "and here's the intro to our last regular" thing they're doing, that just overrides the rest of it. It's a really smart manipulation of the way shows are experienced today.
I totally agree. I'm not spoiling my IRL friends who are also watching. It's interesting how strong a mislead the opening credits are. It really does camouflage the tells -- in some universe where these things air without credits and there is no press and you come in totally cold, I think you'd figure out fast that Tyler is Voq. But the way this actually plays, with the "and here's the intro to our last regular" thing they're doing, that just overrides the rest of it. It's a really smart manipulation of the way shows are experienced today.
Word of god is there's going to be "a relationship" with Burnham.
I'm sure Lorca's tribble will go the most crazy over Tyler.
It depends, if he was changed by the augment virus the tribble might not sense it or whatever, since human DNA.
I find it funny that so many people apparently want this "Ash Tyler is Voq" thing to be true that they're accepting the events of Choose Your Pain as confirmation that it's happening even though there's still little to no evidence (not speculation and assumptions) that it's actually happening.
Seriously, what is your point 'infesting' EVERY single thread with your, with respect, banal negativity towards a show most of us here are starting to love......? We get it now, you hate the show.....
All the Klingons in The Trouble with Tribbles were changed by the augment virus and tribbles still hated them.
Seeing how non-humanoid these Klingons are, if Tyler really is human, then he must have been really desperate for survival if he and L'Rell really did do what they implied in "Choose Your Pain." 
Kor
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Kor
That would be sad. Sorry, but Stamets and his partner are professional officers. Not teenagers.
I read a tweet to one of the Star Trek twitter pages, and they made the supposition that Ash is short for Ieshua, or Yeshua from the Bible.
In reading up on him, it says he's...
The son of Nun.
Either this person really reached, or hit things way close to the mark.
In reading up on him, it says he's...
The son of Nun.
Either this person really reached, or hit things way close to the mark.
Last episode was 6 months after BotBS. Choose your Pain said it has been 7 months, meaning there has been a 1 month gap. I think that is a long enough period for Voq to have undergone the transformation.
The strongest evidence, as was stated, is that Ash Tyler says he's survived as a prisoner on the ship for seven months because L'Rell has "taken a liking to him." We know L'Rell had been stranded with Voq onboard his ship for six months, and must have only gotten onto this ship in the past few weeks. Ergo, Ash Tyler is lying at the very least, even if he isn't Voq.
Also, strongest evidence physically is eye shape, at least to say that it's the same actor with and without makeup.
