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The Future Of Trek Is A Spinoff
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The whole idea of this series would be to see the Trek universe without the need for a Starfleet ship and without the need to stick to canon or worry about ramifications.
I for one would love the opportunity to see the rest of the Alpha Quadrant and see new species and see them in detail without the same tiresome Starfleet sends a ship into the unknown.
We'd be stuck with the same old same old. With a brand new species at the helm we have endless possibilities for fresh ideas and storylines. If we use Humans and Starfleet we'll know what they're going to say and do before they even do it, it will be that obvious for a Starfleet officer to do that.
Another example is the fact that we know Earth can never be destroyed so there's never any real threat to Earth ever. With this new series and therefore new homeworld there's always that chance it can be destroyed or severely crippled. As I said the possibilities are endless.
It will stick to Trek rules in the fact that there'll be a warp core, nacelles, warp drive, familiar phrases and many other examples.
We will get to see a new part of the Trekverse through completely fresh eyes. The reason it wont be called Trek is because it will immediately give the idea to none Trek fans that it's crap, geeky, nerdy etc and they wont even bother to watch it.
Trek fans will probably wanna watch it to at least give it a try. So not only does it have a following of Trek fans it will generate new fans.
If we're trying not to confuse people this new series could be set in the new Abrams universe where Vulcan is destroyed etc
I for one would love the opportunity to see the rest of the Alpha Quadrant and see new species and see them in detail without the same tiresome Starfleet sends a ship into the unknown.
We'd be stuck with the same old same old. With a brand new species at the helm we have endless possibilities for fresh ideas and storylines. If we use Humans and Starfleet we'll know what they're going to say and do before they even do it, it will be that obvious for a Starfleet officer to do that.
Another example is the fact that we know Earth can never be destroyed so there's never any real threat to Earth ever. With this new series and therefore new homeworld there's always that chance it can be destroyed or severely crippled. As I said the possibilities are endless.
It will stick to Trek rules in the fact that there'll be a warp core, nacelles, warp drive, familiar phrases and many other examples.
We will get to see a new part of the Trekverse through completely fresh eyes. The reason it wont be called Trek is because it will immediately give the idea to none Trek fans that it's crap, geeky, nerdy etc and they wont even bother to watch it.
Trek fans will probably wanna watch it to at least give it a try. So not only does it have a following of Trek fans it will generate new fans.
If we're trying not to confuse people this new series could be set in the new Abrams universe where Vulcan is destroyed etc
All Seeing Eye
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It doesn't.
How can I be any clearer. It will be set in the Abrams universe, that's the answer that will be given to the people that ask the question. There are always interviews with people before the release of a series such as producers and writers etc.If such a series was made all the Trekkies would be debating till the end of time which universe it's set in, by actually SAYING to the people via interviews what universe it is set in will save centuries of debate and also prevent confusion on the part of Newbie Trek fans who became new fans thanks to Star Trek XI.
The series can begin at the same year as Star Trek XI finishes off. Perhaps a future Star Trek movie can then actually tie in with the series at some point.
Since it's a new universe since Spocks time travelling there's no reason that Starfleet can't make contact with this new race. the series itself will be free of the federation etc but future movies don't have to be.
This.
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Okay, there are many, many problems with this idea. Starting with:
You want to stick to 'Trek rules', which you define as "that there'll be a warp core, nacelles, warp drive, familiar phrases and many other examples" - and yet, there is no Starfleet, no Federation, and it will not be called Star Trek.
Other races have different forms of propulsion and weapons systems - Romulans use a singularity drive, Klingons use disruptors, etc. Only Starfleet refers to things like 'warp core, nacelles, warp drive, and phasers, photon torpedos' - even items such as the transporter and replicators aren't universal - many of the Delta Quadrant races hadn't invented them when Voyager passed through.
According to you, "we know Earth can never be destroyed so there's never any real threat to Earth ever" - and yet, STXI blew up Romulus AND Vulcan. "With this new series and therefore new homeworld there's always that chance it can be destroyed or severely crippled" - there was always a chance Earth would get destroyed. I don't see how having a new homeworld makes for a greater or lesser chance of it being destroyed than if it was Earth.
"If we use Humans and Starfleet..." - if you DON'T use Humans, or Starfleet, then how is it a show about Star Trek?
This statement - "The reason it wont be called Trek is because it will immediately give the idea to none Trek fans that it's crap, geeky, nerdy etc and they wont even bother to watch it" immediately contradicts the next statement - "Trek fans will probably wanna watch it to at least give it a try. So not only does it have a following of Trek fans it will generate new fans."
If you don't call it Star Trek, to bring in new fans - then how will the current Trek fans know its a Star Trek series? If you tell the current Trek fans that it IS in fact, a Star Trek series, then your new fans will also know that it is Trek series. Your brain can now commence exploding from my Vulcan-like logic.
The major problem I have is this:
You essentially want to make a show, set somewhere vaguely in the Alpha Quadrant, or at the very least, the Star Trek Universe. And yet, you do not want it to involve Humans, Starfleet, or the Federation. I'm also going to assume (feel free to correct me) that those 'familiar' elements you want to exclude extend to other familiar 'nations' - like the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Borg, Dominion, etc - afterall, if you get involved with any of those, you will inevitably stumble upon the Federation.
Not only that, (and this is probably my main issue with the entire idea) you don't even want to call this series Star Trek.
So I pose to you this very important question - HOW is this a Star Trek series? Don't even think about telling me 'because it will follow Trek rules' or 'because it is set in the Trek universe' - without any familiar elements - and without Humans, Starfleet, or the Federation - it is NOT STAR TREK.
Humans, Starfleet and the Federation have been the central focus of every single Star Trek tv show and movie. By not including any of those elements, you are not making a Star Trek series - you are making some other random sci-fi series.
And, if you are just going to make some other random sci-fi series, with no connection to Star Trek, then why bother associating Star Trek with it at all? You don't need to obtain any sort of rights from CBS or Paramount. You don't have the expectation of fans, or judgement of a massive audience who may or may not perceive Star Trek in a negative light.
In conclusion - what you're proposing, is in no way that I can see, a Star Trek series.
All Seeing Eye
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You're not seeing the bigger picture.
All Seeing Eye
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OK I've been thinking. Everyone is complaining there's no Humans in it, well here's my plan to get one in it.
An El Aurian ship leaves Earth and sets off on a deep space mission to locate a planet they can colonise. A Human orphan kid however ends up climbing aboard the ship before it took off from Earth hoping to see the stars. He manages to stowaway on the ship for an entire month before he's found. The El Aurians argue about what to do and eventually decide it's too late to turn back and not right to just dump the kid so they take him with them.
Their journey takes them far to the otherside of the Alpha Quadrant, everytime they try to colonise a new world they get kicked away. They eventually find a planet and colonise it but an alien race comes along and claims it's theirs. They destroy the colony and take them all as slaves including the boy. They're put to work on a dilithium mine and suffer there for months until the planet is attacked by 'the good guys' (the race the series will focus on) and frees the slaves.
The El Aurians are killed in the bloody battle between the rival forces and the boy survives by hiding out in a hole. He's eventually found by one of the good guys and realising he has no parents eventually decides to adopt him.
This kid grows up on the new homeplanet he is taken to and eventually joins the military in order to fulfill his dream of seeing the stars again. He graduates with high marks and earns a spot as tactical officer aboard the new 'good guys' flag ship which will be sent out on an exploration mission.
One of the hopes of the main character (the Human) is to locate Earth again, this however will not feature heavily in the series, it will simply be a passing remark. The point of the series is the exploration of the region of space where the 'good guys' occupy.
An El Aurian ship leaves Earth and sets off on a deep space mission to locate a planet they can colonise. A Human orphan kid however ends up climbing aboard the ship before it took off from Earth hoping to see the stars. He manages to stowaway on the ship for an entire month before he's found. The El Aurians argue about what to do and eventually decide it's too late to turn back and not right to just dump the kid so they take him with them.
Their journey takes them far to the otherside of the Alpha Quadrant, everytime they try to colonise a new world they get kicked away. They eventually find a planet and colonise it but an alien race comes along and claims it's theirs. They destroy the colony and take them all as slaves including the boy. They're put to work on a dilithium mine and suffer there for months until the planet is attacked by 'the good guys' (the race the series will focus on) and frees the slaves.
The El Aurians are killed in the bloody battle between the rival forces and the boy survives by hiding out in a hole. He's eventually found by one of the good guys and realising he has no parents eventually decides to adopt him.
This kid grows up on the new homeplanet he is taken to and eventually joins the military in order to fulfill his dream of seeing the stars again. He graduates with high marks and earns a spot as tactical officer aboard the new 'good guys' flag ship which will be sent out on an exploration mission.
One of the hopes of the main character (the Human) is to locate Earth again, this however will not feature heavily in the series, it will simply be a passing remark. The point of the series is the exploration of the region of space where the 'good guys' occupy.
The bigger picture is that you might as well just say that your idea is a proposal for an all-new space adventure show that is NOT a spin-off of Star Trek. I'm all in favor of one of those.
All Seeing Eye
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I'm thinking now perhaps an El Aurian child survives too. The Human will be Male and the El Aurian Female, they are both adopted into seperate families and end up serving on the same ship on the bridge. They end up in a romantic relationship throughout the series.
All Seeing Eye
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The pilot episode of the show will of course be extra long to deal with the entire journey from being a young boy stowing away on a El Aurian ship, to being sent to the Dilithium mines (does not necessarily have to be Dilithium, could be mining anything), being adopted and getting a placement aboard the new exploratory flag ship. There needs to be just the right amount of time to see a detailed view of him getting to know his adopted parents and vice versa and fitting in with the new culture. Perhaps a two parter pilot each one extra long in length.
We will also see the El Aurian girl fitting in with the new culture too, she will be the second most important character of the series.
We will also see the El Aurian girl fitting in with the new culture too, she will be the second most important character of the series.
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.... That's it? I'M not seeing the bigger picture...
Why did I bother? -facepalm-
Then it's not Star Trek.
Call it something else, don't worry about any Star Trek elements, and tell whatever story you want. If there's no canon, you don't have to worry about it. Your El Aurian story would work just as well if it had no connection to Star Trek at all. Rename the aliens, rename the series, and see if anyone is interested in the story for its own sake.
If it's "completely different" it's not Star Trek. Okay think about it this way: for something called Star Trek to have any meaning, there must be some element that, if deleted, will delete the Star-Trek-ness of it.
So what is that thing that cannot be deleted? Hint: it's not complicated and can be phrased as one sentence.
All Seeing Eye
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You're simply not understanding. I don't want it to be something else, I want it to be Trek. There's an entire Trek Universe to explore and we don't need Starfleet or the Federation to be the ones doing the exploring.
Starfleet and the Federation isn't Star Trek, it's just one aspect of it just like Klingons or Romulans.
People are ok to have a new Trek series focusing entirely on the Klingon empire but complain at the thought of introducing a brand new species? makes no sense.
You'd have to argue that a series focusing entirely on the Klingons wouldn't be Star Trek.
why is always a "flag ship" why can't they just have a show with a lowly little ship... maybe something that breaks down/need constant repairs
and why does the main person HAVE to be a "bridge officer" just make him a low ranking/NCO person... they have lives too
no, no... not like firefly
and why does the main person HAVE to be a "bridge officer" just make him a low ranking/NCO person... they have lives too
no, no... not like firefly
I am Legend, I get it, you're a fan and you want to explore the rest of the Star Trek universe. The question is how many other people want to explore other parts of the Star Trek universe. I'll give you a hint, it's on the order of the number of people that read the LOTR appendices. But that number is so small that you'll never get a show made out of it. If you really care about this idea you should make a fanfilm. I'm sure you can probably find other fans who are interested that you can make it happen. Beyond that maybe pitch it to pocket books. But that's probably the limit of the marketability of your series.
We've had multiple debates on if generic Star Trek as a whole can attract a large enough audience for a weekly TV series anymore. Your idea is targeting a tiny subset of the Star Trek audience, it simply is not economically viable.
And ask yourself this question, if you are a showrunner producing this show, why do you want to be connected to Star Trek? Why do you want to pay royalties for content you won't be using anyway? Why do you want to limit what you can do when you're not integrating with Star Trek? Why build off of someone else's idea when you can make something your own?
We've had multiple debates on if generic Star Trek as a whole can attract a large enough audience for a weekly TV series anymore. Your idea is targeting a tiny subset of the Star Trek audience, it simply is not economically viable.
And ask yourself this question, if you are a showrunner producing this show, why do you want to be connected to Star Trek? Why do you want to pay royalties for content you won't be using anyway? Why do you want to limit what you can do when you're not integrating with Star Trek? Why build off of someone else's idea when you can make something your own?
I would argue that, BUT... lemme ask you this my funny friend:
Take a show like 24, and remove Jack Bauer, remove CTU, remove the President's sub plot even... take all those things away but keep the premise that it's still a story that takes place in one day, in real time, in the same universe, is it still 24? It could be, maybe... but not the 24 I like. It still takes place in the 24 universe, but it's a whole different show with none of the elements that makes me want to watch 24. BUT, now make the show about a Amish farmer named Zeke. Now it's no longer 24 at all.
You could pretend that Farscape takes place in the Trek universe, does it matter? It's still not Trek, it's Farscape.
Here's my question: What of Trek can you remove and still call it Trek? What else is there in the Trek universe that can't be explored by traditional Star Trek but still be connected to Trek?
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