Well Ragdoll came back, now the nightmares return.
Spoilers The Flash - Season 5
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It was great that they brought Ragdoll back. He is one of the most visually striking and memorable villains in the Arrowverse. After so many episodes of all the shows many tend to blur together. Nice to get Joe’s reaction considering that was during Jesse Martin’s absence from the show,
I don't know -- for me, every time I see Ragdoll, I laugh.
I am curious about the effects of this negative speed force. I assumed that it would seriously corrupt Nora and not be something that she could easily overcome. After all, we saw her eyes turn red and she seemed consumed by it and she took a full trip through the negative speed force to get back to 2019. But it appears that she just shrugged it off pretty quickly.
Yeah. As I said, I thought the idea was that the NSF turned its users dark and angry, but it turned out to be the other way around -- you have to be dark and angry to be able to use the NSF. And that's Thawne's default mental state, but Nora had to psych herself into it.
I wonder if Team Flash gave Reverse Flash a large dose of Molly if it would drop him from the NSF?
Also, does the existence of the NSF now exempt Thawne from the issues he encountered in the backstory to S1? Namely that he couldn't reliably access the SF after changing Barry's origin by killing his mother, so he had to make sure Barry became the Flash after all?
Now, he's got an alternate energy source, so he COULD try and wipe Barry out of time again...
Now, he's got an alternate energy source, so he COULD try and wipe Barry out of time again...
The negative speed force appears to depend upon the existence of the positive speed force. Assuming Barry is key to the positive speed force's existence: Thawne may still have the same issue with removing the Flash from the timeline.
Could be both.
I don't think so, except in the sense that the more you get into that mindset, the more it would twist you and make it harder to stop. Textually, it fits with the way speedster powers have been portrayed in the past on this show -- you have to get yourself in the right mental state first in order to tap into the Speed Force or phase or do whatever else. And metatextually, it's a dramatically unsatisfying cheat if your characters' actions are the result of some outside force turning them bad rather than a consequence of their own emotions and goals and beliefs. So revealing that Thawne was just turned bad because of the nasty energy thing would be a cop-out.
I dunno, keeping yourself in a state of psychotic hate and anger repeatedly to use your powers is going to mess with you.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying -- that it works better if it's the result of your own choice to embrace the darkness, rather than being the cop-out that an outside force is solely to blame for making you do bad things.
Title and synopsis of the season finale have been revealed:
"Legacy"
BARRY FACES OFF WITH REVERSE FLASH – Barry (Grant Gustin) faces off with his oldest, and most formidable nemesis, Reverse Flash (Tom Cavanagh). Gregory Smith directed the episode with story by Lauren Certo and teleplay by Todd Helbing & Eric Wallace (#522). Original airdate 5/14/2019.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/reverseflash-returns-synopsis-flash-season-5-finale/
BARRY FACES OFF WITH REVERSE FLASH – Barry (Grant Gustin) faces off with his oldest, and most formidable nemesis, Reverse Flash (Tom Cavanagh). Gregory Smith directed the episode with story by Lauren Certo and teleplay by Todd Helbing & Eric Wallace (#522). Original airdate 5/14/2019.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/reverseflash-returns-synopsis-flash-season-5-finale/
hopefully this means Cicada is done with next week. This whole story should have been done weeks ago so we could focus more on Thawn from the future.
It was a decent episode but I feel like it was another stall. Remember when there was a report that the writers should have broken the season into thirds. They should have done that.
Do we? Thawne is a time traveler. The last time we saw him before this was in "Crisis on Earth-X," which ended with him fleeing into another time or reality.
Well I'm let down by that synopsis.
I genuinely thought that Eobard was going to through a redemption. Unless this Reverse Flash mentioned in the synopsis is him from earlier in the timeline. Maybe showing how he got incarcerated in the first place
Well,
a face-off doesn't automatically mean a fight, merely a confrontation. Could be a psychodrama with Thawne/Barry on opposite sides of his jail window thrashing out their issues, albeit that wouldn't make for a good superhero ep (but a great one of a cop show).
I've been assuming both that Thawne is using Nora and that he has genuine paternal feelings toward her. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
My guess is that Thawne uses Nora to escape execution and that (later in the show) Thawne somehow becomes integral in saving Barry in the future.
My guess is that Thawne uses Nora to escape execution and that (later in the show) Thawne somehow becomes integral in saving Barry in the future.
