Spoilers The Flash - Season 3
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I prefer to believe that the '90 series is in the DC Animated Universe, so I'd like to think that reality is still out there as its own parallel Earth. Its Barry Allen is simply another doppelganger of Earth-1's Henry Allen and Earth-3's Jay Garrick.
I don't really notice any stylistic or tonal similarities between the 1990s show and the AU.... in fact, wouldn't they be at direct odds, considering the AU has Wally firmly in the Flash role, right down to the chemical accident and CSI job?
Total side tangent, but do you believe GL:TAS could be part of the AU? Hal makes reference to the new guy, Stewart, who could be covering on Earth in the JL while Hal is in space. But, they had already given Hal's origin to Kyle Raynor. But, in GL:TAS, we skip Hal's origin completely.
Back on topic, did they actually explain what is going on with those "husks" ?
The way I understood it, it's a byproduct of the person being "reborn" as or merged as their parallel earth counterpart?
Or Jay Garrick could simply be an alias that he's adopted for some reason.
I don't generally indulge in the kinds of fan theorizing that tie little bits of coincidence and in-jokes from tv shows and movies together to "prove" something secret about them - but I'll happily sign on to whatever lazy and implausible hypothesis someone cooks up to make Jay Garrick on this show into Barry Allen from the 90s version. I like the idea that much.
Or Jay Garrick could simply be an alias that he's adopted for some reason.
I don't generally indulge in the kinds of fan theorizing that tie little bits of coincidence and in-jokes from tv shows and movies together to "prove" something secret about them - but I'll happily sign on to whatever lazy and implausible hypothesis someone cooks up to make Jay Garrick on this show into Barry Allen from the 90s version. I like the idea that much.
They established on Earth 1 via Barry's Dad that Garrick is a family name, so its a bit more then *just* an alias....and since the 1990s Flash show had Barry (Henry's) parents as Henry and Nora as well, that would make her Nora Garrick, and Henry (on Earth 1) a Jr, if you continue playing with the parallels.
In warning Barry, Jay Garrick implies heavily that he learned all of this the hard way.... so what secret messes and mistakes did HE make in the last 25 years?
Oh, there are definite stylistic similarities. The Flash '90 was the first DC show with Shirley Walker as the composer (and her Flash motif was actually used in Superman: TAS: "Speed Demons"), and it took place in the same kind of Art Deco, hybrid retro/modern world seen in Batman: TAS, with '40s cars and modern computers coexisting. Both shows were influenced by the aesthetic and tone of Tim Burton's Batman films. (Walker was Danny Elfman's orchestrator/conductor on those films.) Plus, of course, the '90 show's version of the Trickster reappeared in JLU: "Flash and Substance." Granted, his existence on Earth-1 means it could've been another doppelganger.
In the original comics, Barry had the Flash mantle before Wally, and Wally got his powers through a coincidentally similar accident. I'm assuming much the same was the case here. My model is based on the assumption that the DCAU took place in real time, since it does seem to correspond roughly to the passage of time in the real world (discounting Batman Beyond and The Zeta Project, of course), and a 2001 Static Shock episode has Virgil use "Y2K" to mean "so last year." So we don't see the DCAU version of the Flash until 6 or so years after the end of the live-action series. That's plenty of time for Barry to pass the mantle along to Wally. ("Speed Demons" doesn't actually specify the Flash's real name, but his personality is more consistent with Wally.)
Of course it's not a perfect theory. There's a scene in a Flash episode where Barry walks his dog past Superman and Batman movie posters, and another where he jokingly refers to a reporter as "Lois Lane." But there are similar discrepancies within the DCAU itself. A first-season Static Shock has Virgil and Richie refer to Superman being Clark Kent, implying that they know him as a fictional character, but the show is folded into the DCAU starting with Batman's appearance in its second-season premiere. And there's a Superman: TAS episode where Lois jokingly refers to Wonder Woman, years before Diana leaves Themyscira in the Justice League pilot. So if we can gloss over those continuity errors, I'm willing to ignore the discrepancies between The Flash '90 and the rest.
No, because there are other characters and entities that were presented in incompatible ways between the two -- Kilowog, Star Sapphire, Sinestro, the Manhunters, Oa, etc. Also, there's an Easter Egg in S:TAS: "In Brightest Day" suggesting that Hal Jordan is still just a test pilot when Kyle Rayner gets Abin Sur's ring -- and JLU later establishes that Stewart was a GL before Rayner. Conversely, GL:TAS's Guy Gardner name-drops John Stewart as a new recruit succeeding Hal as the GL of Sector 2814.
Is it just a skin shedding? Or a duplicate/doppelganger being made? They can't be merged with anything physical, since its not a parallel earth, but a timeline that no longer exists...
They established on Earth 1 via Barry's Dad that Garrick is a family name, so its a bit more then *just* an alias....and since the 1990s Flash show had Barry (Henry's) parents as Henry and Nora as well, that would make her Nora Garrick, and Henry (on Earth 1) a Jr, if you continue playing with the parallels.
In warning Barry, Jay Garrick implies heavily that he learned all of this the hard way.... so what secret messes and mistakes did HE make in the last 25 years?
So, on the current show Barry's middle name is "Henry" - do we know what his father's full name is, or what the 1990s TV character's full name was?
People who pass a family name down don't necessarily attach "junior" or numerals to it - my father's family considered that pretentious, despite at least three generations of men having the exact same name (the history gets a bit murky).
Maybe there is some justice league that I don't remember, then ... I don't remember all or much of that being introduced on JL/JLU.... when does JLU establish that Stewart came first? I assumed Raynor, then Stewart. GL:TAS could be set *before* Justice League, perhaps.... Does JL ever identify their Star Stapphire as Carol, when they don't even use Hal? Gonna go rewatch Speed Demon now just to listen for the musical cue... watched the whole series about a year and a half ago, but didn't do a 1990s Flash rewatch (for the first time since I was a kid) until a few *months* ago... Lol.
It was so great seeing Julio as the Captain.... best part of the premiere, for sure.
My point was that Shipp's character's genetic parents on the 90's show were named Henry and Nora; the same genetic elements went into creating both Jay Garrick and Earth 1 Henry Allen.... which would make him the 2nd member of the family with the first name Henry, whether its a literal "JR" or not. It also would imply the coincidence of Henry marrying a woman with the same name as his own mother.
Just musings.
In fact, Rayner was never the GL of Sector 2814 in the DCAU, at least not for very long. He originated on Earth, yes, but JLU: "The Return" established that John had then sent Kyle to train on Oa. In the JL "Hearts and Minds" 2-parter, it was established that John's old love interest Katma Tui had trained Kyle, and she referred to him as a "kid."
Basically, John became a GL about a decade before Kyle, but he was assigned elsewhere because Abin Sur was the GL of Sector 2814. Sur's ring picked Kyle as his successor, but Kyle needed more training, so John sent him to Oa and took over as the GL of this sector.
http://dcau.wikia.com/wiki/John_Stewart
It's about more than that. The Manhunters in particular are incompatible -- in the DCAU, the Guardians kept them around in a support role until their revolt during JL, whereas in GL:TAS, the Manhunters had been thought destroyed ages before.
Not explicitly, no. But the technology is different -- in JL/U it's a crystal worn on the forehead, and in GL it's a ring.
As I recall, it's most prominent during the part where Superman and the Flash are racing across the ocean. I think there's a hint of it just at the start of the race as well. (Just to be clear, it's not Elfman's main title theme, but the motif Walker composed for the Flash's speed gags, with a descending four-note ostinato.)
I'm glad that Captain Singh's back, but it would be nice if the counterpart of Captain Mendez were introduced in some other recurring role.
I don't see how, Barry is trying to fix it on his own, not let other people deal with it.
The point is, they have to live with the consequences of the choices he made in his own self-interest. And really, the idea that it's his responsibility to make all the decisions is part of the same problem. If a decision affects everyone, they should all have a hand in it.
Maybe the Legends will be called in to keep Barry from screwing up history.
That seems a bit premature. If the complaints were about the changes in attitude in the last episode, it's worth keeping in mind that things are or are at least on their way back to status quo by the end.
EDIT:
CBR has a new article explain who The Dominators, the bad guys for this year's crossver are, and what they did in the comics. I believe they've already said the shows will be using elements from the comics' Invasion crossover, and there is a specific plot point mentioned in the article that would be a HUGE game changer for the Arrowverse.
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