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Spoilers The Flash - Season 3

I'm a little worried about where this premise is going. The thing I liked about last weeks episode was seeing the characters in new roles, but it was kind of deleted when Barry came back. Of course the timeline has still been changed, but I'm not sure if I'm a fan of this new dark feel of the show. Cisco being broody was not all that fun, but the thing I didn't like was how easily the characters seemed to forgive Berry for basically changing their lives. It felt like the change happened in 5 minutes, and like last weeks episode, I wanted to explore this character development more than we ended up getting. I'm hoping the season gets better now that we're stuck in this timeline, but seeing Flash get this new darker, more angsty tone makes me a bit worried about what is to come.
 
I liked this better than last week's episode. But if Barry went back in time with Thawne to restore the timeline, I don't see how there could be a Timeline C, which was a slight variation of Timeline A (original). It did, however, made for a more interesting storyline, especially when Jay Garrick counseled Barry on the consequences of time travel. It wouldn't be right for Barry to keep hitting the reset button every time he made a mistake or something unpleasant happened. I must admit, part of me longed for Timeline A by the end of the episode just because the relationship dynamics were so much better, with less drama from Cisco and the Wests.

Bah, who knows. Maybe they'll end up with a Convergence like plot and merge certain timelines into the current one.
 
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I liked this better than last week's episode. But if Barry went back in time with Thawne to restore the timeline, I don't see how there could be a Timeline C, which was a slight variation of Timeline A (original). It did, however, made for a more interesting storyline, especially when Jay Garrick counseled Barry on the consequences of time travel. It wouldn't be right for Barry to keep hitting the reset button every time he made a mistake or something unpleasant happened. I must admit, part of me longed for Timeline A by the end of the episode just because the relationship dynamics were so much better, with less drama from Cisco and Wests.

Bah, who knows. Maybe they'll end up with a Convergence like plot and merge certain timelines into the current one.

Because he thought he was restoring the timeline, but he was wrong. Why that is? I can only assume that Thawne being part of it somehow allowed him to change part of his own past (or really, future), which had ripple effects.

I agree this was an improvement over last week, and although the forgiveness did come a bit quick, I'm glad to finally have the mess behind us (yes, there are still consequences, but those are actually interesting consequences and for once we're not going to have to watch Barry drag out his big secret for half a season). I just hope we're done with time travel stories now, because this show does not do them well.

I don't really have a problem with the character changes. Banter Cisco is more fun, but he'll get there again soon enough and he'll be a deeper character for it. I only hope Caitlyn's abilities do not translate to her turning evil.

So who else is likely to get husked by Alchemy? I'm betting on Wally and the new creep that hates Barry.
 
Well, since I didn't post an "insane rant", just an opinion different then yours, I guess I just don't know what you mean.

Opinions are fine and all, but perhaps if you didn't use words like "terrible", "crap" and "garbage" in every other sentence people would be less likely to use words like "rant" to describe yours...
 
The way they're handling the "post-Flashpoint" timeline reminds me of the way Buffy the Vampire Slayer handled the introduction of Dawn: treating things as they are now as if that's the way they've always been, which works really well.


This is true.
 
For me, the diner scene between Barry and Jay Garrick was the turning point in the episode. Before that scene, the episode was pretty terrible. Nothing really happening. Cisco, Iris and co are mad with each other. Barry is brooding. But after the scene, Barry gets a renewed sense of purpose. He finally "gets it". I loved the confession scene where Barry explains to the team how he changed the timeline. There was real emotion when Cisco reconciles with Barry and Iris and her dad reconcile. And then episode finishes on a high note, with a great fight, a look at our new villain and a good tease for the future.
 
I just hope we're done with time travel stories now, because this show does not do them well.

They've already done multiple episodes on why going back in time is generally a bad idea, but nothing seems to stick with Barry. Hopefully this time Jay slapped a little sense into him that will stick.
For what it's worth, their talk did seem to work at least for now as Barry finally managed to kiss Iris without screwing up the timeline immediately after. :techman:
 
I am curious how Barry's trip to the past changed conditions so that Caitlyn is now a metahuman. That one doesn't make any sense to me.
 
I liked this better than last week's episode. But if Barry went back in time with Thawne to restore the timeline, I don't see how there could be a Timeline C, which was a slight variation of Timeline A (original).

As Jay said, you can try to put things back the way they were, but the fact that you intervened in the past at all means that the initial conditions will be slightly different, and that will have some impact down the road even if the broad strokes are the same. So you'll never be able to mend the "cup" perfectly without a couple of "cracks" remaining. I think Barry's drawing was misleading -- the "third" timeline he created was essentially the original one with a few subtle tweaks, so it should've been drawn right next to the original one instead of on the opposite side of the Flashpoint line.

After all, the thing to remember is that there are two other shows set on Earth-1 and they have their own writing staffs and their own stories to tell. So it was always a given that whatever changes Barry made would have minimal effect on anything beyond his own show (I'm surprised they did the Diggle-baby change at all). As far as Arrow and Legends are concerned -- well, at least as far as Arrow is concerned -- the timeline needs to be the same as it was before. So it's better to think of this as a slightly revised version of the original reality than as a separate reality altogether.

I must admit, part of me longed for Timeline A by the end of the episode just because the relationship dynamics were so much better, with less drama from Cisco and Wests.

Yeah, but they mended those rifts by the end of the episode. Iris forgave Joe and kissed Barry, so she's already back to where she was at the end of last season. Cisco's still mourning his brother, so that's a change, but he's made peace with Barry and gotten back into villain-naming mode, so he's starting to get back to normal now. And he's able to harness his sonic Vibe powers, but that's just a shortcut in the arc he was already on. So very little has really changed, aside from Caitlin having powers and Draco Malfoy working in the crime lab.


I am curious how Barry's trip to the past changed conditions so that Caitlyn is now a metahuman. That one doesn't make any sense to me.

Well, Caitlin's Earth-2 counterpart had powers, so it was the luck of the draw that the dark-matter wave somehow skipped over her on Earth-1. Think of this timeline as a do-over. The same events were given a second chance to play out, and most of them happened the same way, but some things -- things that were matters of chance and could've gone either way -- just randomly fell out differently.

It's like running simulations. If you look at FiveThirtyEight or other election-forecasting sites, they talk about how they run thousands of simulations of the election given the polling and demographic and economic data they have, and they get a bunch of different results that show up on a bell curve, with some outcomes happening more often and others more rarely, but still not all happening the same way even with the same starting parameters. So in this case, if you simulated the dark-matter explosion a bunch of times, maybe Caitlin would get powers in most simulations, but would not get powers in some of the simulations. And old Earth-1 just happened to be a run where the dark-matter wave skipped over her for some reason, but now that the "simulation" has been re-run, that didn't happen this time, even though the starting conditions were basically the same.
 
I am curious how Barry's trip to the past changed conditions so that Caitlyn is now a metahuman. That one doesn't make any sense to me.
To be fair, a lot of it doesn't make sense. They're changes for the sake of changes. Which seems to be what both this and Supergirl are doing this season; the writers just didn't like characterizations/relationships and are changing them without any real reason.
 
Pretty good I'd say, at least right now.
I liked this one, I thought all of the character drama was a nice way to show Barry that even attempting to repair damage from a previous time travel trip will still affect things. I was glad that things are already back on the way to being the same as before, since this stuff would have gotten old fast if had dragged on much longer.
I liked the introduction of Barry's "roomate".
I loved the scene with Barry and Jay, that was exactly the kind of scene I've been hoping we'd get since we first heard Jay Garrick was being added to the show.
The stuff with the Rival was interesting and served as both a nice introduction to Alchemy... excuse me, Dr. Alchemy, and a possible set up for Wally to become Kid Flash. I wonder if he'll get memories of Flashpoint too, or just powers?

I just read the first arc from the New 52 Flash series, and there is a lot of stuff there I would love to see on the show, especially Mob Rule and Barry's Flash Brain.
 
So, what are the chances it's Malfoy under that Death Eater mask?

Cisco and Caitlin have a high opinion of him. I see the character as either begrudgedly becoming friends with Barry or being so obsessed with Barry that he turns dark. I doubt he is playing Professor Alchemy unless the Professor is from the future. Though, the probability that any particular new character is from the future is roughly 50-50 on this show.
 
Because he thought he was restoring the timeline, but he was wrong. Why that is? I can only assume that Thawne being part of it somehow allowed him to change part of his own past (or really, future), which had ripple effects.

I agree this was an improvement over last week, and although the forgiveness did come a bit quick, I'm glad to finally have the mess behind us (yes, there are still consequences, but those are actually interesting consequences and for once we're not going to have to watch Barry drag out his big secret for half a season). I just hope we're done with time travel stories now, because this show does not do them well.

I don't really have a problem with the character changes. Banter Cisco is more fun, but he'll get there again soon enough and he'll be a deeper character for it. I only hope Caitlyn's abilities do not translate to her turning evil.

So who else is likely to get husked by Alchemy? I'm betting on Wally and the new creep that hates Barry.

The crime scene was slightly different than the first time Thawne killed Barry's Mom. That slight change may have made a cop/csi examine an area of the room slightly longer causing a butterfly effect trickle down.

BTW, I loved the Easter egg in the diner scene in the 90s. We see Dawson's Creek(Dawson himself) on the tv while Jay sits down with Barry. So both of John Wesley Shipp's major "tv sons" in the same scene.
 
BTW, I loved the Easter egg in the diner scene in the 90s. We see Dawson's Creek(Dawson himself) on the tv while Jay sits down with Barry. So both of John Wesley Shipp's major "tv sons" in the same scene.

I wonder if Joe told Barry when he was little that his dad isn't really in prison but is shooting a TV show with his other son whom he loves more. :D
 
I want my show back...

All these changes has completely ruined all the fun in the show, its not the show I got hooked on and the ratings collapse would seem to indicate, I am not the only one.
 
The crime scene was slightly different than the first time Thawne killed Barry's Mom. That slight change may have made a cop/csi examine an area of the room slightly longer causing a butterfly effect trickle down.

BTW, I loved the Easter egg in the diner scene in the 90s. We see Dawson's Creek(Dawson himself) on the tv while Jay sits down with Barry. So both of John Wesley Shipp's major "tv sons" in the same scene.

Even just the event taking longer (Nora being alive longer, thinking she was saved, then having it happen all over again) would have thrown a ton of butterfly effects into the response time and position of the cops and ambulance, and everything that happened from that point forward.

Barry would have been better off stopping himself from intervening completely. I was completely expecting him to become the Flash that waves himself onward in the S1 finale.
 
The resolution of story points on the DC shows tends to be pretty perfunctory; I guess that's not what they're selling.

Nice appearance by Jay Garrick, and clever that he intercepted Barry in 1990. Wonder who he was before he started dicking around with time? ;)

I had the same thought, even though you are off with the year.... but it really does beg the thought, is it possible that the 1990s show's Barry Allen tried to change something, and screwed up his timeline so badly in the past, that his parents never even got married and that his mother's name was (coincidentally) Nora Garrick?
 
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