Spoilers The Flash - Season 3

[cylkoth]

How was Barry still a speedster in the altered timeline? Or Wally one, for that matter? Without Wells/Thawne to cause an accelerator explosion, they couldn't have gained superspeed (unless some other scientist set it off, which was never mentioned throughout the episode). I hate the temporal mechanics of this show.
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When Barry returned to the altered ''present'', he overwrote the version of himself that grew up as a result of his changes...Yeah, that's my story and I'm sticking with it. As for Wally, he exposition-ed how he came to acquire his speed. The particle accelerator wasn't involved.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It was always just the lightning bolt.

Besides the speed force is an energy field parallel to and the same infinite size as the universe that is alive. Maybe the accelerator turned him more easily into an adaptor/conduit, but theoretically any one with enough technology or yoga can tap the speed force.

Barry must have killed the indigenous Barry that lived in this time line, or locked him up in a different cage all too similar what Thawn was locked inside.

Barry sent Barry on a free trip to Europe?

 

[Nerys Myk]

It was always just the lightning bolt.

Besides the speed force is an energy field parallel to and the same infinite size as the universe that is alive. Maybe the accelerator turned him more easily into an adaptor/conduit, but theoretically any one with enough technology or yoga can tap the speed force.

Barry must have killed the indigenous Barry that lived in this time line, or locked him up in a different cage all too similar what Thawn was locked inside.

Barry sent Barry on a free trip to Europe?

In the comics it's lightning and chemicals for Barry and Wally. Flashpoint Wally was lightning and chemicals too.
It's like in Star Trek when they beamed the guy into his past self.

 

[Guy Gardener]

In the comics the lighting Bolt was Wally.

(A revelation from Zero Hour.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

In the comics the lighting Bolt was Wally.

(A revelation from Zero Hour.)

I thought it was Barry?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Barry was dead at the time, circa 2000.

Wally and Barry were both hit by the same bolt of lightning who was time travelling Wally stuck in the speedforce.

(Although it's been a while since I read it.)

 

[Dick Whitman]

M.A.C.O your explanation of the Geoff John's rules of time travel was informative. Makes me glad I rarely read new comics! LOL

I had never been a big fan of Johns. I do not get why he is so beloved and risen to such a huge position at DC Comics. Some of his stuff I have liked. But mostly it build on older writers ideas that had been discarded. HIs own ideas are usually gimmicky, contrived, and over complicated.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Not only was I happy to see Alex Desert on the show finally but how it was done. He seemed much more friendly to Barry than Captain Singh every has been. Which was clearly based on Julio and Barry being actual friends on the original series. I would be fine if him being Barry's Boss is one of the Timeline changes which is not undone.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Or the Barry that is native to that time line is not a selfish whiny asshole?

Barry physically wasn't dying, his personality/memoires were being erased to eventually be replaced with native Barry.

"I gotta save Wally!" would have been an excellent reason to put things back, but no, it's only when Barry's existence comes into question as the foreigness of the flashpoint universe starts to eat him, that Barry decides to murder 6 billion people indirectly by actually murdering his mum... Well using Thawne on her is still indirection, but it's closer to direction than ending realities.

Iris should have shot Barry in the face when he said that he was going to destroy her universe.

What is wrong with everyone?!

Why do they always bend over for Barry like that?

Fight for your right to live damn it!

 

[TemporalFlux]

Spoiler

I have a sneaking suspicion that the Earth-1 version of Claris might end up becoming Dr. Alchemy rather than The Rival, and that the person who wrote the word Alchemy on that mirror will end up being revealed as the new "big bad" speedster Savitar.

Spoiler

I would go with the obvious answer - the message was scratched into a mirror, so the most able messenger for that trick would be Mirror Master

 

[FPAlpha]

Pretty good season start.. some well placed humor, much drama and a good sized mystery about what happens after Barry tried to reset reality/timeline. I guess time doesn't like to be a bitch to Speedsters and apparently all experienced Speedsters know not to mess with the timeline save Barry but then again he has much to learn.

I guess the Flash from the original event who saves Barry was the one who went through Flashpoint already and knows not to tamper with the events which is why he shook his head to Barry when he travelled back to change the events the first time in the Season 1 finale.

I feared they'd resolve the Flashpoint story much too soon when Barry returned at the end of the episode.. seems like the problem is much bigger now and won't easily go away which is fine by me. Season is off to a good start.

 

[Mudd]

Pretty underwhelming premiere.

 

[Morpheus 02]

M.A.C.O your explanation of the Geoff John's rules of time travel was information. Makes me glad I rarely read new comics! LOL

I had never been a big fan of Johns. I do not get why he is so beloved and risen to such a huge position at DC Comics. Some of his stuff I have liked. But mostly it build on older writers ideas that had been discarded. HIs own ideas are usually gimmicky, contrived, and over complicated.

I haven't read most comics for like 20 years, but his episodes of Smallville were among the best if the show, and for video media, helps bring in the past but make it exciting For new viewers

 

[Dick Whitman]

Geoff John's television writing is usually good. But when you are talking Smallville it was easy for him to seem like a genius compared to its normal quality of writing.

He is really good at retelling other people's stories. On the Superman comics he mostly reintroduced the mythology from the 60s and elements from Donner films. He is great at pandering to fans.

 

[DigificWriter]

Spoiler

I would go with the obvious answer - the message was scratched into a mirror, so the most able messenger for that trick would be Mirror Master

Spoiler

We know for certain that both Dr. Alchemy and Savitar are coming, which is why I mentioned their names specifically.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

How was Barry still a speedster in the altered timeline? Or Wally one, for that matter? Without Wells/Thawne to cause an accelerator explosion, they couldn't have gained superspeed (unless some other scientist set it off, which was never mentioned throughout the episode). I hate the temporal mechanics of this show.

And who was the Eobard Thawne at the end? Was that a remnant or a parallel-universe Thawne?

I also had to wonder how Barry could "move" people at breakneck speed without, you know, breaking their necks or causing damage. Take Joe, for example. Barry gave him a shower, brushed his teeth, and dressed him up in a matter of seconds. Water doesn't flow as fast as a speedster moves; it would've taken at least 15 seconds to get Joe in and out. And if Barry brushed Joe's teeth rapid-fire, the good detective would've lost all his teeth.

Wally's powers were explicitly explained in the episode - they had nothing to do with an accelerator explosion.

Barry was apparently half original Barry, half new universe Barry, so as long as he still remembered his old life, he still had his powers, too. But that was fading.

Thawne at the end was clearly the Thawne who went back in time to kill Barry's mom, got knocked out and spent 3 months in a jail cell in an alternate future. But it was weird how the knocked out Thawne and the Barry who knocked him out just disappeared.

Speaking generally about the show, I have to agree the storyline was seriously bland and underwhelming and it kind of irritates me that they twisted the ending of last season around so stupidly just to set up this flop. But at least now it can hopefully be put behind us a bit. Here's hoping it gets back to early season 2 levels asap.

 

[dahj]

I hate the temporal mechanics of this show.

In that case, whatever you do, don't get into Legends of Tomorrow

 

[JD]

I thought it was pretty good, although the Flashpoint universe wasn't quite as crazy as I was hoping it would be, especially after hearing about crazy the comic universe was. Other than that, it was still a pretty good alternate universe. I liked Wally as Kid Flash.
I liked the relationship we got between Barry and Thawne here, and it will be interesting to see if he pops back up again later.
What was written on Earth 1 Rival's mirror?
I wonder what happened with Iris in the post-Flashpoint E1?

 

[Thestral]

That was incredibly underwhelming. Among other problems, a real waste of Wally as (Kid) Flash.

 

[dahj]

a real waste of Wally as (Kid) Flash.

It's unlikely this will be the last we see of Wally as a speedster.