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Spoilers The Flash - Season 3

I seem to remember them explicitly testing Caitlin for meta-human-ness after they found out about Killer Frost and the tests came back negative. If that is true then she never would have gotten powers without Flashpoint.

Her powers hadn't manifested themselves yet, so there was no way for science to have detected/predicted that she was going to manifest them.

Caitlin would've gotten powers regardless; they just took a while to show themselves.
 
I don't know if anybody else caught this, but Caitlin said that her powers manifested themselves "3 months ago" last episode when Cisco basically forced her to out herself to the rest of the team, which is exactly the same amount of time that the Flashpoint timeline existed for... which says to me that, if Barry hadn't run back in time and created Flashpoint, this season would've opened with us seeing the ending scene of "Paradox" play out in the premiere as opposed to the second episode.

Except that, after restoring the timeline, Thawne brought Barry back to the same moment he'd left. He came in from the porch and everybody just reacted like he'd stepped outside for a few minutes, not that he'd been missing for three months.


She didn't have a psychotic break, though. She just started hurting people to try to help herself and sort of slid into being half-evil for the sake of it.

Okay, poor choice of words. Maybe "dissociative break" would be more accurate, since she seemed to manifest Killer Frost as a separate personality state, the "side" of herself that embodied her anger and resentment.


I seem to remember them explicitly testing Caitlin for meta-human-ness after they found out about Killer Frost and the tests came back negative. If that is true then she never would have gotten powers without Flashpoint.
Her powers hadn't manifested themselves yet, so there was no way for science to have detected/predicted that she was going to manifest them.

I don't know about that. Didn't they determine that Jax and Henry Hewitt were Firestorm candidates based on how the dark-matter wave had affected their molecular structures? Then again, if latent metahuman abilities were detectable in advance, you'd think we'd have heard about them developing a test by now. So I'm not sure which it is.
 
Except that, after restoring the timeline, Thawne brought Barry back to the same moment he'd left. He came in from the porch and everybody just reacted like he'd stepped outside for a few minutes, not that he'd been missing for three months.

I was speaking as if Barry never went back in time and Season 2 had ended with everybody in the house dealing with the aftermath of defeating Zoom, with Season 3 opening with something equivalent to the events of Paradox and ending with Caitlin's hands misting.
 
I was speaking as if Barry never went back in time and Season 2 had ended with everybody in the house dealing with the aftermath of defeating Zoom, with Season 3 opening with something equivalent to the events of Paradox and ending with Caitlin's hands misting.

Yeah, but the point is, the duration of Flashpoint had nothing to do with that, because Barry came back to the same time he left. He was three months older, but everyone else was mere moments older.
 
So, Barry pulled a Xander on Caitlin's Willow.
Missed opportunity to not have her say " Bored now." during the fight scene earlier.

Still a good episode.
The Alchemy reveal was not a big surprise, though.
I mean what else would Julian be there for, anyway, from a dramatical stand point?
You introduce a new character at the same time you introduce a new major hidden villain, chances are it's gonna be him.
Same with "Jay" and Zoom, really.
Since it's not gonna be one of the other regulars who and a generic guest actor won't do it...
But introducing 4-5 new regulars/recurring guest stars to keep the audience guessing on who the bad one is is probably too much for the budget. And you'd have to give all of them an interesting story, too, to not waste them as characters.

But a teaser of the upcoming alien invasion would probably have been the more interesting choice.
 
I mean what else would Julian be there for, anyway, from a dramatical stand point?
And expected since he conveniently went missing last week exactly when they were trying to bait him with Wally. There's no reason to announce this fact to audience unless you're planning to reveal he's Alchemy. Maybe it would have been cool if that was a misdirection, and Barry and co ended up suspecting him anyway. But that's far too big a twist for this gang, I suppose.
 
Is Savatar connected to Flashpoint?

Not as far as we know.

Alchemy's only known connection to Flashpoint, BTW, is that he's aware of people who had superpowers during that timeline but don't in the post-Flashpoint timeline and has the ability to give them the powers they had there that they don't now have.
 
It probably makes sense for Barry to quit his job as CSI. He needs to go back to school or spend some more time self-studying if he's planning to invent the Gideon artificial intelligence system (assuming Gideon wasn't just referring to Barry being the original user or that Barry didn't steal the basic AI from another Earth or alien civilization).
 
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Accounting software pays them.

Barry probably hasn't put 1 and one together yet, that he can give Caitlin and Cisco raises if he feels that they deserve a larger slice of the pie for saving the world better this week.
Is Savatar connected to Flashpoint?

Savatar is either some asshole who is mental, and calling himself a god, or Savatar is a sentient chunk of speedforce trying to transubstantiate to human form, or a more human for some reason. but even if infinity ago, Savatar used to be human, he can manipulate the speed force and multiversality on a much deeper level than Barry.

It's a fair assumption that he can see Time like we see space, from a good vantage point.

Think of Barry as a house cat that just shit on the living room rug.

Flashpoint is that shit.

Now God has to decide what happens to the cat who fucked up his rug.

It really tied the room together.
 
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Savatar is either some asshole who is mental, and calling himself a god, or Savatar is a sentient chunk of speedforce trying to transubstantiate to human form, or a more human for some reason. but even if infinity ago, Savatar used to be human, he can manipulate the speed force and multiversality on a much deeper level than Barry.

My theory is that Savatar was imprisoned in the Speed Force but when Barry did Flashpoint, it caused a crack that allowed Savatar to manifest but not break free completely. That is why Savatar said something about being set free.
 
It's not like he's hurting for money. He owns Starlabs and employs Cisco and Caitlin.

They've never been very clear on how much money Barry got in the Star Labs inheritance. He could be a billionaire (or at least the Star Labs trustee of billions of dollars) given Eobard's future knowledge. He obviously has enough money to keep the lights running and pay property taxes. Otherwise, one would think the government would have knocked on his door a while back.
 
Except we have seen some evidence of split-personalities or personality takeovers regarding Flashpoint, with Magenta, who was having dreams based on her alternate self from Flashpoint.

Magenta had pre-existing split personality disorder IIRC.

It wasn't caused by her powers.
 
They've never been very clear on how much money Barry got in the Star Labs inheritance.

Even without that, he lived with Joe all this time, so he must have saved some money on rent. ;)

By the way, since he only recently moved in with Cisco, and now they're not on best of terms does that mean he's back to living with Joe again?
 
Did Caitlin ever spend time with Jessie or Earth 2 Wells when they had that...meta bracelet thing without Barry or Cisco nearby. If so, did it go beeping or not?
 
Magenta had pre-existing split personality disorder IIRC.

It wasn't caused by her powers.

Yup. The Rival didn't seem to have a split personality, nor does Wally. Hard to say about Shade. All the people who were metas in Flashpoint get dreams drawing them to Alchemy, and usually they just resume the personality they had in Flashpoint -- villain for Rival and Shade, hero for Wally. The dissociative identity disorder is specific to Magenta/Frankie. It looks like Caitlin has something similar going on, but that's unrelated to Flashpoint -- it's more a function of her own psychological issues.
 
I realized something, with Julian as Alchemy...wouldn't criminal lawyers all over Central City cry for their clients' cases to be thrown out...when the story breaks of course...?

On a side note, it still irks me about where he came from. It was said he was around for an year. It would mean he popped up around the time they were beginning to encounter Zoom...

I have to rewatch season 2. Caitlin and that meta bracelet. Events and the scenes at GCPD around the time Julian would have showed up.
 
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