Give it a try. Doesn't have to be textbook, just an example or two.
Spoilers The Flash - Season 2
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Sadly, no. They are using the same format, and it is in the same continuity (not a re-boot), but it will focus on a new character.Jack is back?!
I know what you're trying to do. You want me to give a half assed definition (that doesn't explain myself well), then you'll either "explain" how the Speed Force stuff actually technically fits with what I say, or how I'm wrong and character development is actually _____, and the speed force stuff showed it perfectly. I'm not actually that invested in an argument about this. It was a crap episode of a good series. By next week all I'll think about are the actually relevant parts (the real world segments), and just try to forget the crap and enjoy the next episode. This isn't Arrow or Supergirl, its Flash. It can have a bad episode, but when it does its a very rare incident, its not the norm (unlike those other two shows). Its easy to just move on, its not something I feel the need to put effort into fighting about.
Oh well.
Madness.
Jack for President!
Okay, back to discussing the Flash.
Okay, back to discussing the Flash.
Not a definition, just an example or two. Something from another show or film even.
I know what you're trying to do. You want me to give a half assed definition (that doesn't explain myself well), then you'll either "explain" how the Speed Force stuff actually technically fits with what I say, or how I'm wrong and character development is actually _____, and the speed force stuff showed it perfectly. I'm not actually that invested in an argument about this. It was a crap episode of a good series. By next week all I'll think about are the actually relevant parts (the real world segments), and just try to forget the crap and enjoy the next episode. This isn't Arrow or Supergirl, its Flash. It can have a bad episode, but when it does its a very rare incident, its not the norm (unlike those other two shows). Its easy to just move on, its not something I feel the need to put effort into fighting about.
Honestly, I never got why they didn't do it that way in the first place. The idea of depicting a single 24-hour event in real time is a clever gimmick, but it's ridiculous to have the same single character go through the same kind of all-day emergency 7 or 8 different times. I always felt 24 would make more sense as a seasonal-anthology format, where each season shows a different character dealing with a different kind of 24-hour real-time crisis. Like, one season it could be fighting terrorism, the next season it could be a doctor dealing with a medical emergency, the next could be a police hostage negotiation, etc.
On the subject of Tom Cavanagh's first tv series ED, I had forgotten that actor M. Emmet Walsh appeared in an episode as the town Mayor. Walsh earlier had played Henry Allen on John Wesly Shipp's version of The Flash. On top of that irony in the same episode Cavanagh's lawyer character numerous times compares himself to Batman anytime the Mayor calls him for help.
I know what you're trying to do. You want me to give a half assed definition (that doesn't explain myself well), then you'll either "explain" how the Speed Force stuff actually technically fits with what I say, or how I'm wrong and character development is actually _____, and the speed force stuff showed it perfectly. I'm not actually that invested in an argument about this. It was a crap episode of a good series. By next week all I'll think about are the actually relevant parts (the real world segments), and just try to forget the crap and enjoy the next episode. This isn't Arrow or Supergirl, its Flash. It can have a bad episode, but when it does its a very rare incident, its not the norm (unlike those other two shows). Its easy to just move on, its not something I feel the need to put effort into fighting about.
Give the guy a break.
He's been given countless "breaks". So, no.
You know what, I'll bite. Some examples of character development (from the top of my head):
Arrow: Oliver doesn't want to be a vigilante anymore because he thinks his job is done when he stops the undertaking, and he feels he failed to save Tommy. Diggle tries to get him to realize that he's meant to help people as The Arrow in general, not just use his vigilante identity to stop one evil group or quit because of what happened to Tommy. Over a series of events (I can't quite remember if it was wrapped up in one episode or not, its been awhile since I watched), Oliver realizes that he should stay a vigilante and protect Starling City, and that his job didn't end with the undertaking or Tommy's death. He goes from wanting to avenge his Dad and stop the undertaking in Season One to trying to protect the city in Season 2 through a series of events that developed him as a character.
Legends of Tomorrow: Captain Cold joins the team mostly to steal from various time periods, but slowly becomes something of a hero because of the things he's been through.
Star Wars: Han Solo originally just wants to get paid for a job, but by the end is a fairly loyal rebel (or at least loyal to his friends) and helps them take on the Empire even when it causes problems for him.
So, i've given some examples. Now, I guess its time for someone to explain how none of those are examples of character development
One of my favorite EPs of The Flash! Great job to Kevin Smith.
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I don't know if he (Wells) wasn't touching her at all, but I'm trained in CPR and while I was watching I was thinking it was among the worst presentations of CPR I've ever seen. Properly done, it often results in bruised or even cracked ribs/sternum. His "technique" wouldn't have cracked an eggshell.
"The Runaway Dinosaur" writer Zack Stentz is joining the show as a consulting producer for season 3. That's the same job title Nicholas Meyer has on the new Star Trek series; it means he's not on the day-to-day writing staff, but will be, well, consulting and contributing to the creative process as his schedule permits. I figure he's too busy working on the Booster Gold movie and other stuff to be a full-time staffer. Still, he's a very good writer and it's good to have him onboard.
Now was that so hard? Now explain how what Barry went through didn't develop his character.You know what, I'll bite. Some examples of character development (from the top of my head):
Arrow: Oliver doesn't want to be a vigilante anymore because he thinks his job is done when he stops the undertaking, and he feels he failed to save Tommy. Diggle tries to get him to realize that he's meant to help people as The Arrow in general, not just use his vigilante identity to stop one evil group or quit because of what happened to Tommy. Over a series of events (I can't quite remember if it was wrapped up in one episode or not, its been awhile since I watched), Oliver realizes that he should stay a vigilante and protect Starling City, and that his job didn't end with the undertaking or Tommy's death. He goes from wanting to avenge his Dad and stop the undertaking in Season One to trying to protect the city in Season 2 through a series of events that developed him as a character.
Legends of Tomorrow: Captain Cold joins the team mostly to steal from various time periods, but slowly becomes something of a hero because of the things he's been through.
Star Wars: Han Solo originally just wants to get paid for a job, but by the end is a fairly loyal rebel (or at least loyal to his friends) and helps them take on the Empire even when it causes problems for him.
So, i've given some examples. Now, I guess its time for someone to explain how none of those are examples of character development
I just checked the "tape".
From the angle I saw, it seemed like one of Tom's palms were wedged into her cleavage area, and yes, his fingers were hovering above his "daughters" boobies.
I don't have the best eye for these things though, the palm might not have made contact either.
In my opinion He didn't come to any real decisions or change as a character. He's the same Barry coming out that he was coming in ( not counting regaining his speed, but that's not what we're talking about). Sure, he has new knowledge (he knows that the Speed Force is sentient now), but that didn't change him. He just had to sit through some TV grade counseling by a bored Speed Force. Now, maybe the writer intended something deeper, the speed force stuff came off as a second rate version of the prophets and they always seemed to talk about "deep" stuff. But, from a character perspective, the Speed Force segments did nothing but waste time. They weren't just painfully lame and boring, they were pointless.
I and it seems many other viewers, disagree. The death of Barry's mom has weighed on him since the show began. Nwhe seems able to move on. That's a significant development for Barry. Now you might find how it happened to be boring or too talky, but to say it didn't move Barry's character forward would be wrong.